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[Jhunt]

Can we leave politic out of it?

 

SpaceX will continue to launch more satellites. They are getting more customers every month as long as ISP keep screwing over their customer with higher prices. Comcast charge a lot for a little and will not lay down new fiber for just a few people living out in the sticks. So, what choice do they have but to get Starlink if they want reliable connection.

 

Why are you allowed to have good internet access, but others aren't? You're using the internet now to post on this forum. Some people might want to use Musk's service to communicate with family across the globe, or learn something new, or whatever

[Big_Eight]

Can we leave politic out of it?

SpaceX will continue to launch more satellites. They are getting more customers every month as long as ISP keep screwing over their customer with higher prices. Comcast charge a lot for a little and will not lay down new fiber for just a few people living out in the sticks. So, what choice do they have but to get Starlink if they want reliable connection.

Why are you allowed to have good internet access, but others aren't? You're using the internet now to post on this forum. Some people might want to use Musk's service to communicate with family across the globe, or learn something new, or whatever

It is my hope that technology continues to advance so satellite light pollution becomes negligible for ground based astronomy.

This really is the only way forward since this is not going to suddenly stop happening.

One would also think as technology advances that the required satellites up in the sky for good coverage will decrease or start decreasing.

I'm trying to be optimistic about the whole thing at this point.

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[ccate]

The software (for AP) will get better at eliminating the problem.

Edited by ccate, 08 November 2024 - 01:32 PM.

[Helvetios]

Earlier in the Starlink deployment, Musk wrote "There are already 4900 satellites in orbit, which people notice ~0% of the time. Starlink won’t be seen by anyone unless looking very carefully & will have ~0% impact on advancements in astronomy. We need to move telelscopes to orbit anyway. Atmospheric attenuation is terrible."

[Jhunt]

I hope so because China's Thousand Sail project calls for 34,000 satellites plus Starlink's 32,000.  

[Helvetios]

I have heard that the reflectivity of the Thousand Sail satellites is not a design consideration.  I don't think anything is really going to change since there is no governing body for space.  Things might change if there is a collision in space which could trigger a collision chain reaction from debris.  Starlink satellites frequently come within a kilometer of other satellites that are near their orbital shells and sometimes as low as 0.5 km (you can see this using heavens-above.com by selecting a satellite in low earth orbit and then close encounters).  Collision avoidance all depends on frequent radar and massive calculations to predict orbits and all the spacecraft distances vs time.  And the orbital parameters change rapidly in low earth orbit, especially with an active sun.

[Jhunt]

Oh, looks like they launched more satellites up yesterday. 

[csa/montana]

Thanks to the members that helped to keep politics out of here.  Now the next political post will bring the lock out.

[PIEJr]

When I stack my images from a nights run (sometimes 600 each), any Musk tracks disappear.

Not a worry to me.

 

More a worry to me is my neighbors who continue to add ground based light pollution.

[RLK1]

When I stack my images from a nights run (sometimes 600 each), any Musk tracks disappear.

Not a worry to me.

 

More a worry to me is my neighbors who continue to add ground based light pollution.

"When I stack my images from a nights run (sometimes 600 each), any Musk tracks disappear.

Not a worry to me."

 

It's not about you and other amateurs who can remove satellite tracks easily from their pictures.

It's about professional observatories who, if they remove satellite tracks, lose research data in the pixels they remove and/or time in retasking other projects to do a repeat of the study ruined by the tracks. And then there's the impact on radio astronomy...

[PIEJr]

"When I stack my images from a nights run (sometimes 600 each), any Musk tracks disappear.

Not a worry to me."

 

It's not about you and other amateurs who can remove satellite tracks easily from their pictures.

It's about professional observatories who, if they remove satellite tracks, lose research data in the pixels they remove and/or time in retasking other projects to do a repeat of the study ruined by the tracks. And then there's the impact on radio astronomy...

Au Contrares, it is about me and anyone else on Cloudy Nights.

Incidentally, what are you doing about any of it?

Done anything about the commercial airliners who do MUCH more to interfere with our astronomy?

Appears you think you own everything from the ground to the stars.

And that it is all about you.

[RLK1]

"What am I doing about it?"

 

From my previous postings this forum:

 

https://www.cloudyni...ation-measures/

 

Locally:

 

https://www.cloudyni...la-county-long/

 

"Appears you think you own everything from the ground to the stars."

And that it is all about you."

 

No, I'm not you or Musk...

[csa/montana]

Seems the bickering continues, despite trying to keep this thread open, it's now closed