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#1 kas20amc02

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Posted 30 November 2024 - 11:06 PM

Hi everyone! 

 

I am planning to go to RMSS in 2025.  I know that is a 8 months away but it is my first star party and a LONG way from home (~800 miles).  I drive alone about 2.5 hours to a dark site in state several times a year and camp for 3 days.  However, this is farther AND I am taking my family (wife, daughter 12 y/o, son 8 y/o). 

 

I plan on meeting another club member there.  I am renting an RV (camper, whatever you call it) in Colorado as my wife certainly will not spend a single night in a tent. 

 

My question is there a best way to pack and do I need any special equipment for a trip this long? 

-I always transport my 16-inch Starmaster with the mirror in the separate protective box.  This makes the rocker box and mirror box very light and prone to bounce, particularly on dirt roads.  I bungee cord it, which helps, but does not fix the problem.  Is there a better solution?  It must also ride in the open truck bed.  How should I protect it?
-My fellow club member suggested to cover the telescope once there when not using it with a scope cover, in case of bad weather, dust etc.  Any recommendations on brand?
-Do I need anything special for the “camp out” outside of the all-inclusive RV rental?
-Anything else I should be asking but have not?

 

Many thanks,
Karl

 

 



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Posted 01 December 2024 - 12:30 AM

I haven't been to Rocky Mountain Star Stare but have been to several other large star parties.  I also tow a travel trailer to the ones I go to. 

 

To prevent the mirror and rocker boxes from bouncing you could lay a softside bag in them and then bungee them down.   I do recommend enclosing them in a heavy duty trash bag to protect them from rain.  In fact enclose anything in the bed that you do not want to get wet in heavy duty trash bags.

 

I recommend a Telegizmos telescope cover to protect your scope when not in use. I personally use the 365 covers. I use tent stakes tied to spring clamps to hold the cover down in case of wind.  If the site has high winds you will need to tie the scope down when not in use or pack it up.

 

I don't know what all an all-inclusive rv rental includes.  I would check if towels and bedding are included.  I recommend taking your pillows and extra blankets even if it includes them.  Take some rubber gloves as you will be responsible for emptying the grey and black water holding tanks.  Make sure they are empty when you pick up the rv and make sure the freshwater tank is full.  Buy bottled water for drinking.  Make sure the propane tanks are full. 

 

If you have little experience with rv's have someone walk you through:

- connecting the power connection if you will have electrical hookup at the site. 

- turning on/off the propane tanks and turning on the refrigerator, hot water heater, etc.

    Important: when turning on a propane tank turn the knob slowly.  If you open it too fast a safety valve can trip closing

    the tank off.  After turning on the tank you will have to flush air out of the line.  Do this by lighting a stove eye. 

    Use a long neck lighter because it will take a while to light as the air is pushed out.  once one eye is lit you light the

    others and let them burn for a couple minutes.  Turn them off and then you can light the other appliances that run on

    propane.

- how to dump the black and grey water tanks   Always dump the black tank first and then the grey tank to wash out the

  sewer hose.  Be sure to put a weight on the elbow into the sewer pipe or it might jump out.  Not good.

- how to level the trailer.  There should be leveling blocks or wedges included for side-to-side leveling.  Do not use

  stabilizing jacks to try to level the RV.  They are not made for that.

 

Will you have an electrical hookup at the star party?  If not, how will you recharge the rv battery?  If you will use a generator make sure you understand how to use it safely and the rules for using it at the star party.  If the trailer only has solar panels cloudy skies will reduce drastically the ability to recharge the batteries.

 

You must adapt to rv living.   Use water sparingly.  If you do not have a water hookup at the site then that tank has to last you unless you can refill it some way.  Even if you have a water connection you have limited black and grey water sewer tank capacity.  Hopefully there are showers and toilets available at the star party.  If so, use them.  When taking a shower in the rv use as little water as possible and shut the shower off using the button on the shower head after wetting yourself.  Then soap up and turn the shower head on just long enough to rinse.  Use as little water as possible.  Washing dishes is a big water consumer.  Use paper plates and cups.  If you fill one or both the grey and black water sewer tanks you will have to tow to a drop site.  Black water is from the toilet.  Grey water is from the sinks and shower.

 

If the rv has an awning be prepared to roll it up if there is a possibility of more than a light breeze.  It woould be very expensive to have to replace the awning.  Take some folding chairs for sitting outside.

 

When you pick up the rv be aware that it will likely be overnight before the refrigerator gets cold when you turn it on.  If the rv contains a 12 volt only refrigerator be aware that it is a big load on the battery if you are not plugged into external power.

 

After you pick up  the camper take stock of what you have and what you don't.  Then go buy what you need.

 

If you do not have experience towing an rv be aware that a lot of weight behind you will increase stopping distance.  You can't do anything in a hurry.  Keep your speed down.  Meeting big vehicles or being passed by them will push your vehicle and rv around.  

 

I'll leave the things unique to the Rocky Mountain Star Stare to folks who have been.  However, if you are going to set up the rv on the field or next to it you need to take measures to cover the windows so light does not leak out at night.  Aluminum foil works well.  Make sure you have red lights to get around outside at night.  Always point them down and not at anyone or any equipment.  Please don't use a head light.  It is almost impossible not to shine it into someone's eyes.

 

Most of all, have fun!  Mingle and take advantage of the chance to look through even larger scopes than your own.


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Posted 01 December 2024 - 07:56 PM

Bring your Winter clothing...50* in Arkansas ain't the same as 50* in Colorado....it's a dry cold and at altitude the air sucks the heat right out your body.


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Posted 01 December 2024 - 10:57 PM

Thanks.  This is very helpful.  I will carefully read through it a few more times before we go.

 

 

 

I haven't been to Rocky Mountain Star Stare but have been to several other large star parties.  I also tow a travel trailer to the ones I go to. 

 

To prevent the mirror and rocker boxes from bouncing you could lay a softside bag in them and then bungee them down.   I do recommend enclosing them in a heavy duty trash bag to protect them from rain.  In fact enclose anything in the bed that you do not want to get wet in heavy duty trash bags.

 

I recommend a Telegizmos telescope cover to protect your scope when not in use. I personally use the 365 covers. I use tent stakes tied to spring clamps to hold the cover down in case of wind.  If the site has high winds you will need to tie the scope down when not in use or pack it up.

 

I don't know what all an all-inclusive rv rental includes.  I would check if towels and bedding are included.  I recommend taking your pillows and extra blankets even if it includes them.  Take some rubber gloves as you will be responsible for emptying the grey and black water holding tanks.  Make sure they are empty when you pick up the rv and make sure the freshwater tank is full.  Buy bottled water for drinking.  Make sure the propane tanks are full. 

 

 


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Posted 03 December 2024 - 11:15 PM

I have attended the RMSS twice, and plan to attend again in 2025.  I have camped both in an RV with a group and individually in a tent.  It is truly a great experience.

 

The intense sun and strong wind during the day is something I prepare for.  I not only cover my telescope, but tie and stake down anything that can move.  My large brimmed hat was perfect last year during the day.



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Posted 07 December 2024 - 08:24 AM

Does the wind blow hard enough I need to take down the UTA?

 

 

I have attended the RMSS twice, and plan to attend again in 2025.  I have camped both in an RV with a group and individually in a tent.  It is truly a great experience.

 

The intense sun and strong wind during the day is something I prepare for.  I not only cover my telescope, but tie and stake down anything that can move.  My large brimmed hat was perfect last year during the day.



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Posted 07 December 2024 - 11:36 AM

Does the wind blow hard enough I need to take down the UTA?

Last year, due to wind, a canopy collapse next to my campsite.  Fortunately, no dust devils compared to TSP... But who can predict the future.  


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Posted 08 December 2024 - 08:20 PM

Does the wind blow hard enough I need to take down the UTA?

I'm afraid I don't know what a "UTA" is.  It is easily strong enough to blow down a tent or dining fly unless they are strongly secured.  I put rocks or water jugs on top of my tent stakes.  But I don't mean to over state things.  It's pleasant enough that I leave my telescope out all day.



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Posted 08 December 2024 - 09:58 PM

Sorry, upper truss assembly of the Starmaster Dob.  I thought it would be less like a sail if you took that off, but then I realized that you would need to take down the truss poles as well, or it would still be sticking 5 feet up in the air.  May be some trial and error on this for me.  



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Posted 09 December 2024 - 09:13 PM

Karl, I suspect you will be alright without the need for disassembly.  I am sure you have seen the telescope field images, such as those posted on the rmss.org web site ( You can see that people leave their scopes out assembled, but securely covered with reflective materials.

 

Now I can't wait to get out there!

 

-Bill N.


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Posted 10 December 2024 - 01:05 AM

Due to the prep questions on this thread, I opened a new thread on the general prep, safety and etiquette at star parties with a few examples on this link: https://www.cloudyni...-and-etiquette/

I also have a pickup truck, but with a long bed. A Macintosh type tarp goes over my load in the bed when traveling to the star parties sites. Waterproof for passing through the rain and snow squalls. 

 

My Dodge Dakota long bed Dromedary in Florida in 2003. It was parked near a rocket tracking camera site. This had a canvas tarp, but later changed to a neoprene coated cloth one as the oiled canvas sheds waxy stains and grime on the gear.

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Posted 10 December 2024 - 11:02 PM

Thanks guys.  Still taking notes.


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Posted 14 January 2025 - 10:48 PM

The RMSS.org site states that registration will begin on Feb 15, 2025.


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Posted 02 February 2025 - 11:54 AM

I attended RMSS last year and had a great time.  It gets warm during the day but cools off into the 50s at night, so bringing summer clothes plus layers is a good strategy.  It is going to be late in June this year, so don't be surprised if the daytime temps get into the upper 80s in spite of the elevation.  

 

During the day, it's worth a trip to nearby Walsenburg to check out the Museum of Friends, a quirky contemporary arts museum.  



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Posted 02 February 2025 - 04:23 PM

Another scope cover to consider is ScopeCoat by Astrosystems. https://www.astrosys....biz/covers.htm

I used this at RMSS three years ago on my 16" Teeter and was very pleased with it. It includes a ground bag that you can affix to the Truss to prevent the wind giving it the weathervane effect.
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Posted 12 February 2025 - 11:32 PM

I was there a few years ago. You definitely want some leveling blocks for the rv.  Lots of places have a bit of a slant. Get there as early as possible to have your pick.  Check out the RV shades. If they don't block all light you may have to get some gaffer tape and reflectix, or something opaque. That way you can turn on lights in RV without disturbing others, and sleep in.   Also if you drink coffee, make sure you have a plan for that. Rvs sometimes have coffee maker, but not all. If you want to cool down the RV fridge fast, get a bag of ice for a few hours(and careful to remove before too much leaks). 

 

You will definitely want to stake down everything. Keep your awning closed unless you are under it. Gusts of wind in the mountains happen, and they can tear off awnings easily.

 

I don't remember it being  too cold(but am Minnesotan...), but definitely bring a sweatshirt and long pants for night. Weather can be "exciting" in the mountains(sudden rain).  

 

We took a trip to see the K-T boundary in southern Colorado(near Cokedale), it was 90 minutes each way. Similar distance to Great Sand Dunes NP. That one is pretty spectacular, kids will love it.  

 

Get the app "Peak lens" for your phone to identify all the peaks. 

 

The road from Gardner up to the site was really bumpy and had lots of washboard sections. Take it slowly, very slowly with the RV.  It might've improved since I was there. 

 

Make sure you have all supplies(ice, water, TP, etc.) before you get to Gardner, meaning Walsenburg. 


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Posted 19 February 2025 - 06:46 PM

Thanks for the tips.  Having grown up in Austin, I think your idea of cold and mine are vastly different!

 

~KaS

 

 

 

I was there a few years ago. You definitely want some leveling blocks for the rv.  Lots of places have a bit of a slant. Get there as early as possible to have your pick.  Check out the RV shades. If they don't block all light you may have to get some gaffer tape and reflectix, or something opaque. That way you can turn on lights in RV without disturbing others, and sleep in.   Also if you drink coffee, make sure you have a plan for that. Rvs sometimes have coffee maker, but not all. If you want to cool down the RV fridge fast, get a bag of ice for a few hours(and careful to remove before too much leaks).....



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Posted 19 February 2025 - 07:15 PM

In the mountains, it best to be prepared for any weather. I remember 1/2 inch hail in Boulder in the middle of summer as a kid. 


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Posted 19 February 2025 - 09:54 PM

The registration start date changed to February 21.


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Posted 03 March 2025 - 06:12 PM

Registration is now open!


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Posted 28 March 2025 - 05:46 AM

How dark are the skies at RMSS?

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Posted 28 March 2025 - 05:58 PM

How dark are the skies at RMSS?

Clear Sky Chart indicates Bortle 2: https://www.cleardar...light pollution


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Posted 01 April 2025 - 09:01 PM

I was told Bortle 1 by a friend who has gone several times.  Will take readings and post if there is interest.

 

 

How dark are the skies at RMSS?



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Posted 02 April 2025 - 12:25 PM

I was told Bortle 1 by a friend who has gone several times.  Will take readings and post if there is interest.

Even better. Readings would be great.



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Posted 02 April 2025 - 09:14 PM

How dark are the skies at RMSS?

On June 17, 2023 I measured the skies at 21.40 +/- 0.06 MPSAS using a Unihedron SQM-L.  I measured it at 21.36 on Sep 3, 2021 (the one year that the event was held that month).  I don't think that tells the whole story.  I can reach 21.2 regularly at my Missouri dark sky site, but the RMSS is much better.  The difference is the that limiting factor at the 2023 RMSS was the brightness of the Milky Way overhead.  The limiting factor at my Missouri dark sky site is artificial lighting.  There is another benefit of the RMSS skies because of high elevation at 7,000 feet as compared to Missouri at 1300 feet.  The low humidity and low air density means the dark skies go much further down toward the horizon at the RMSS.  That is where the site becomes most impressive.  It's a great location to look for or image the far southern objects.

 

The altitude effect means you are looking through fewer air masses.  That makes a deep sky object appear 0.05 magnitudes brigher as compared to sea level.  At 5 degrees above the horion, the benefit is 0.4 magnitudes brighter appearance than the same object viewed at sea level.  Atmospheric tubulence should, in principle, as be lower but I think the local winds can mask that benefit;

 

While at the RMSS, I wandered away from my telescope one night to use the port-a-potty, and struggled to find my way back to my scope.  After that, I kept a blinking red light at my scope site.  Another night I walked into a pine tree.  It's really dark.


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