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#26 weis14

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Posted 15 January 2025 - 08:46 AM

I think the hobby is getting older, but so are most non-tech hobbies.  I'm no longer young, but at 40 feel like the aging demographics of the hobby have existed since I bought my first scope at 12 years old.  Other posters have talked already about the alleged demographic and cultural shifts that have brought this on, but I think there are at least three additional trends:

  • Young People (e.g. under 40) Don't Have Time for Hobbies:  I think this is the most overlooked trend by people 60+.  Unlike the 1950s or 60s when the "typical" CN member was a child getting their first scope, parents don't have nearly as much time to invest in children's hobbies.  Both members of a typical U.S. household work full time jobs, often with extended schedules, and kids are enrolled in multiple sports and other after school activities from a very young age (if your kid isn't playing soccer at 4 in my community, they might at well forget joining at 10).  Saturdays also fall victim to these activities and there isn't enough time or energy left to stay up all night unless you are really passionate about the hobby.  This is also true in other time-intensive hobbies like hunting, fishing, etc.
     
  • Light Pollution and Target Selection Lead to Disappointment:  It is no secret that light pollution has gotten exponentially worse in most major cities over the last 50 years.  At the same time, the targets of choice for beginners have shifted away from the moon, planets and bright DSOs to faint emission nebulae and galaxies, which are hard visual targets, even under a dark sky.  They are impossible in most suburban and urban areas.  Even if a beginner finds an object like M31 under a light polluted sky, they are likely to be extremely disappointed.  However, almost anyone can find the moon and if encouraged to explore appropriate targets, even a 60mm scope can lead to countless hours of never seeing the same thing twice.  Astrophotography and EAA are a partial solution here, especially with the advent of smart scopes like the SeeStar, which is probably what I'd recommend to most beginners these days unless they were absolutely clear they are interested in visual.
     
  • Clubs are Dead Unless they Offer Value: CN and other internet groups (on Facebook, Reddit, etc.) are the club for people these days.  Very few people in my generation have the time to attend a monthly meeting half an hour away while leaving their partner to take care of the kids and house for an evening (see also the decline in sports like bowling which my Dad did every week in the winter leaving us with my mom).  Value has to be something more than a random club member talking about a topic.  YouTube has replaced that for educational purposes and sites like this one have done it for interaction.  Clubs can still provide value if they own or lease land for a club observatory or dark site, but if they don't have that then they don't serve a purpose.  

I guess I largely agree with the premise that this is a graying hobby, at least among die-hards.  However, the rise of astrophotography and social media has made the general public and the number of casual astronomy minded people rise through the roof.  I am a member of several social media aurora chaser groups and there are a ton of people who are interested in that type of phenomena or other special events like eclipses, meteor showers, etc.  If we are honest, that is always how this hobby has been.  The number of people taking a 15 inch Dob to a dark site 10 times a year or that own a $10,000 bespoke astrophotography setup has never been large.  The number of casually interested people is much larger, but they aren't going to join a club or show up in large numbers with gear at a star party.  


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 08:50 AM

I am a bit suprised how much attention this thread got, in the time I posted it. In no way did this meant to be intended as a bash against younger generations. Keep in mind the older generations raise the younger ones. I think there is a problem and I am curious if there are any suggestions on how to address it?

 

This is demonstrably not true.  smile.gif  I just wanted to use demonstrably in a sentence.

 

Not directed at you ...

 

The same people looking at their phones were posting Aurora photos, eclipse photos, the long line of traffic in front of me trying to get home from the eclipse, the rise of live Seestar streams on Youtube, etc.  It's not a rosy picture but it's not doom and gloom either.  The same technology that keeps the kids looking at their phones also keeps them informed, so USE it, influence people.  

I do agree with your statements here. Where would I be w/o the technology, as that got me back into the hobby. This technology has given us the ability to taken hubble quality photos from the back yard of our house and where would I be w/o forums, youtube, and other resources? I think I would have quit in frustration a long time ago. Instead I am trying to do this hobby with my old man, who is 1200 miles away.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 09:02 AM

A lot of younger people dont have the money or the patience.  And dont let any of them fool you by saying that they dont get paid enough or dont have a good enough job to spend money on a hobby like this....  the truth is the spend ALL their money on DoorDash, costing them $25 to have a $10 drink delivered from Starbucks.

That wages have not even remotely kept up with prices is a well documented and accepted fact. It is, in fact, entirely beyond dispute. Millennials and Gen Zs are not, and could not have been, responsible for that happening. You can choose to blame past generations as well, and they're well deserving of it themselves, but the extreme lion's share of responsibility for the financial situation of most young people today is the fault of the baby boomers. It's exhausting reading and hearing this nonsense from your generation. Take some accountability for what your generation did to the economy over decades of terrible and in many cases extraordinarily selfish policy --- you have no trouble telling younger generations that there's something to hold themselves accountable for, even if those things pale in comparison...

 

BTW... I'm 34 years old, and my wife and I have managed to put ourselves in a decent position financially where we can put money towards our hobbies (granted, no where remotely near where we would be if we were born 20-30 years earlier). We also would not have been able to do so had we not made the decision to move somewhere remote. Life in population centers is far too expensive for people that aren't being paid commensurate wages/salaries and are "just getting started." The tired excuse "they're too busy spending money on DoorDash and avocado toast" is detached from reality, it's insulting, and quite frankly it's just kind of dumb.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 09:04 AM

I have seen the same pattern in most technical hobbies, such as amateur radio, programming, high end audio, etc. Fewer and fewer people seem to want to put in the effort to learn and master their crafts anymore. 

Add model railroading.  Part of that might be you need physical space for a layout, disposable income, and free time, which can be difficult to be had when raising a young family / just starting out.

 

 

Heck, I have a masters degree with a concentration in information systems, and I still miss card catalogues in libraries.

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Posted 15 January 2025 - 09:16 AM

Well, what I see may be different from others, but...

  • I regularly (at least a few times a month) get asked by friends and friends of friends for recommendations on telescope options for younger kids - I always include options that include a cell phone adapter, as the FIRST thing kids ask me when they see my telescope is if they can take a picture through the eyepiece.
     
  • I think the demographic specifically on here (Cloudy Nights) is older because younger people generally don't care about forums. The youth are all hanging out on Discord and yes, they are talking about astronomy there!
     
  • When I do outreach at public parks and campgrounds, my presentation is usually packed with people 15 years old and younger. I get line ups of dozens of people waiting to get a glimpse of Jupiter or Saturn through the eyepiece. And I get exclamations of "WOW!" when they see it. Admittedly I haven't done any outreach since the pandemic, but still, in 2019 there was a LOT of interest from young people in astronomy.
     
  • My daughter has a telescope that she's had for about 10 years. Her best friend also wants to get a telescope. My daughter uses her scope for visual and AP.
     
  • I think the latest generation of tiny robotic telescopes (ie: SeeStar) are perfect for how young people want to engage with the hobby - they want to be able to link it up to their phone or tablet, pick a target, get a nice image of it, and be able to share that online with their friends.

So, I think the demographic of people that take their telescope out into a dark field and sit down and stare at faint fuzzies through the eyepiece is certainly aging. What is coming behind us is a wave of youth that are looking to participate in the hobby - just not in the same way that some of us old farts like to.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 09:20 AM

That wages have not even remotely kept up with prices is a well documented and accepted fact. It is, in fact, entirely beyond dispute. Millennials and Gen Zs are not, and could not have been, responsible for that happening. You can choose to blame past generations as well, and they're well deserving of it themselves, but the extreme lion's share of responsibility for the financial situation of most young people today is the fault of the baby boomers. It's exhausting reading and hearing this nonsense from your generation. Take some accountability for what your generation did to the economy over decades of terrible and in many cases extraordinarily selfish policy --- you have no trouble telling younger generations that there's something to hold themselves accountable for, even if those things pale in comparison...

 

BTW... I'm 34 years old, and my wife and I have managed to put ourselves in a decent position financially where we can put money towards our hobbies (granted, no where remotely near where we would be if we were born 20-30 years earlier). We also would not have been able to do so had we not made the decision to move somewhere remote. Life in population centers is far too expensive for people that aren't being paid commensurate wages/salaries and are "just getting started." The tired excuse "they're too busy spending money on DoorDash and avocado toast" is detached from reality, it's insulting, and quite frankly it's just kind of dumb.

I wish I could like this a thousand times.  I've been very successful, but the barriers to entry into the middle class life our parents had are hard to fathom for people older than us.  There is no quicker way for a person to show their ignorance than to claim that the financial pressures facing younger people than are a result of DoorDash and avocado toast. 

 

Give me a break.  Even if a person ordered avocado toast from DoorDash every day for the next 25 years, it would not make up for the fact that the average home price in the U.S. is over $200,000 more than what would be expected from inflation alone since 1970, while wages have not nearly risen at that rate.  


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 09:25 AM

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I think almost all non-computer hobbies are suffering. Marketing and sales are always chasing the in-thing and quick buck - this means computer interaction. This is all just from what I've seen this past year during outreach events and my personal opinion. Our club hosted quite a few events and I'd conservatively estimate I had the pleasure of sharing the scope with at least 2,000 visitors in 2024. Some quick observations:

 

• Age mix of guest were well represented across the board.

• Younger girls, i.e. 8-12 years old were far more inquisitive/interested than boys of their age - this was a real surprise and unexpected for me.

• The girls spent more time looking at the object in the eyepiece than the boys - seeing a pattern here? I believe women will become much more prominent in the professional astronomy circle in our future.

• Got a lot of questions - "How much did that scope cost?" Most thought the costs were much higher and were pleasantly surprised.

• The very basic level of space knowledge was very low, in general.

 

I agree 100% with several postings above, regarding the current plus-55 year old population being far more exposed to space due to the space race. I believe it was about 1968, I received a John Glenn GI Joe w/space capsule for Christmas one year (geez, I wish my mom hadn't sold it in a yard sale, lol). Star Trek was in full swing. Kids wanted to be astronauts, now they dream of writing game code and accumlating "clicks" (money?) on social media. Our news cycle centers around political mudslinging and shock-and-awe clickbait vs good news and hope.

 

Just hearing chatter in the viewing lines, the James Webb telescope program has had an impact, it's getting folks attention. It will most likely turn a lot of what we think or thought, upside-down. I'm suspecting it will find things that spark a lot of controversy, I'm thinking it was a good shot in the arm for the hobby. IMO, I believe nice, decent quality equipment for visual astronomy is very affordable, probably more than ever, but the industry needs to be more mindful of the "hobby-killer" stuff. Expectations vs internet images is a real issue for beginners.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 09:27 AM

Sure seems to be a real degenerative trend. Very hard to find youth even interested in math and science anymore. And the thing is --- much like music, languages, history, sports, art --- if you don't develop the skills early in life --- it becomes "too late" to recover them later... the synapses have already gone forever vestigial.

Especially rampant in the USA and other ~western~ cultures. The whole population becoming kinda stupid. Tom

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This is the classic “youth of Athens” fallacy, Socrates complained about it 2 millennia ago. “Our youth now love luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders, and they love to chatter instead of exercise. Children are now tyrants not servants of their household. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

Actual STEM degrees awarded have been tracking up.
https://nces.ed.gov/...dt22_318.45.asp

I think amateur astronomy has separate issues, namely: light pollution and a lack of exciting space exploration. Light pollution is much worse today than even a few decades ago and if you can’t see the stars why would you care about them? Space exploration today is not nearly as exciting as the space race so there’s less interest in space, generally.
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Posted 15 January 2025 - 09:39 AM

 

... and a lack of exciting space exploration.

This. At 68 I grew up in the heyday of the Space Race of the 60's. An incredibly exciting time, it energized the country (the US in my case) and for one brief moment, when Armstrong stepped on the Moon, unified humanity. The "space sciences" were brought to the fore and promoted both directly and indirectly. We wanted to be astronauts. We bought telescopes and sky atlases. We were thrilled to see a satellite transit. We were inspired and excited. 

 

Now, meh. Younger generations don't have the "visceral connection" like we older ones did. The thrill of seeing a Saturn V lifting off the pad at Cape Kennedy, even when watched on TV, was not something one easily forgets. It's pretty much all "second hand thrills" anymore. Pity.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 10:02 AM

Look at who has the $$$ to spend.  It is not the young people.  I saved and invested and now If I want new gear I just buy it.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 11:16 AM

Look at who has the $$$ to spend. It is not the young people. I saved and invested and now If I want new gear I just buy it.


I think that’s a fallacy, gear is relatively cheap. Compare a Celestron StarSense DX102 at $420, to an AstroScan which ran $229 back then or the equivalent of $713 today. Gear is cheaper today and better. As a beginner a 60-100mm scope is adequate and if you buy used you can get a decent one for under $100.
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Posted 15 January 2025 - 12:35 PM

I first wanted to get into astronomy when my son was about 9-10 yrs old. He showed no interest, and my ex-wife also pushed the boy toward computers, everything computers, as she believed he would have a career in the computer field in his future. I now recently at 58 yrs old decided that amature astronomy will be an easy peaceful hobby for me, now I have extra time on my hands. And as for my son, I recently heard he has finally come out of his moms basement after a 30yr childhood of playing computer video games, he has secured a job selling phones somewhere in  southern California. the poor child got addicted to action on a computer screen, so the idea of anything that takes patients and thinking skills or even manual skills, just is not attractive to him or his mom for that matter. Happy clear sky' folks grin.gif


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 01:54 PM

If we want to reverse this trend, we need to get out there and start doing sidewalk astronomy again. The amount of people in my age group I've encountered who didn't know you could see detail on Jupiter or Saturn through a telescope is very high, and many of them really are fascinated when they have a look through the eyepiece.

 

People in my age group are interested in astronomy. There's just very little at the moment to prompt them to go outside and explore it themselves. They often think city light pollution makes it impossible to see anything visually, or that images they see posted online are the domain of powerful, observatory grade instruments. And on top of that, we're generally overworked, underpaid, and short on time to dedicate to a new hobby - it's not just easier to look up pictures online, it's cheaper too.

 

It is especially crucial now that we share our equipment with those who don't have the means to afford it.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 01:56 PM

We also need some better personalities on social media who can help younger people get into astronomy.

 

Look at the rise in popularity of golf recently among younger people.

We need our own Grant Horvat, Paige, Rick Shiels, Bryson, etc.  They make golf "cool," okay maybe not Rick so much.

 

Unfortunately our hobby is even nerdier than golf.

As much as I love Ed Ting and Astrobiscuit, there's not much chance that younger people are going to be influenced by their videos.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 02:04 PM

I wish I could like this a thousand times.  I've been very successful, but the barriers to entry into the middle class life our parents had are hard to fathom for people older than us.  There is no quicker way for a person to show their ignorance than to claim that the financial pressures facing younger people than are a result of DoorDash and avocado toast. 

 

Give me a break.  Even if a person ordered avocado toast from DoorDash every day for the next 25 years, it would not make up for the fact that the average home price in the U.S. is over $200,000 more than what would be expected from inflation alone since 1970, while wages have not nearly risen at that rate.  

Add new car prices


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 02:14 PM

We also need some better personalities on social media who can help younger people get into astronomy.

 

Look at the rise in popularity of golf recently among younger people.

We need our own ..... Paige.......

LOL.... There's more there than golf.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 02:31 PM

A lot of younger people dont have the money or the patience.  And dont let any of them fool you by saying that they dont get paid enough or dont have a good enough job to spend money on a hobby like this....  the truth is the spend ALL their money on DoorDash, costing them $25 to have a $10 drink delivered from Starbucks.

This is such a terrible, out of touch, and ignorant take. Literally reads like something you'd see on Fox News.

 

The data clearly shows real wages have been stagnant for decades, while home prices have skyrocketed over the same period. Home ownership for many young people has become aspirational at best, and there certainly aren't thousands of dollars laying around to spend on telescopes. Much of this is due to your generation's leadership prioritizing the desires of companies rather than people for decades on end, allowing investment firms to buy single family homes, etc. These forces are far stronger than people spending "all their money" on DoorDash. 

 

Anecdotally - I am 28, my wife and I both went to a great school, both make very good money for our age, and we are making the bare minimum it takes to own a home (that would once have been considered a "starter" home), in a very rural area. Almost none of my friends, who are all very bright and doing well in their careers, are home owners yet. Statistically, the average homeowner is older now than EVER before. Do you think birth rates are going down simply because people don't want to have kids? 

 

I challenge you to respond with any real data or argument, not just "these **** kids don't want to work" or something about "libs." Try having an ounce of compassion for your fellow Americans, who in reality have inherited a terrible economic environment.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 03:06 PM

This is such a terrible, out of touch, and ignorant take. Literally reads like something you'd see on Fox News.

 

The data clearly shows real wages have been stagnant for decades, while home prices have skyrocketed over the same period. Home ownership for many young people has become aspirational at best, and there certainly aren't thousands of dollars laying around to spend on telescopes. Much of this is due to your generation's leadership prioritizing the desires of companies rather than people for decades on end, allowing investment firms to buy single family homes, etc. These forces are far stronger than people spending "all their money" on DoorDash. 

 

Anecdotally - I am 28, my wife and I both went to a great school, both make very good money for our age, and we are making the bare minimum it takes to own a home (that would once have been considered a "starter" home), in a very rural area. Almost none of my friends, who are all very bright and doing well in their careers, are home owners yet. Statistically, the average homeowner is older now than EVER before. Do you think birth rates are going down simply because people don't want to have kids? 

 

I challenge you to respond with any real data or argument, not just "these **** kids don't want to work" or something about "libs." Try having an ounce of compassion for your fellow Americans, who in reality have inherited a terrible economic environment.

As a retired person, I don't envy the situation these younger people are faced with. It's a tougher world with fewer opportunities.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 04:34 PM

While I agree with many of the sentiments expressed above, I wonder if the perception that "nobody is interested in astronomy anymore" is partially the result of the self-selected nature of this community.

 

Context is everything.  I became interested in astronomy as a young teenager in the 1970s.  My small city, in a seemingly perpetually cloudy area, was lit up by sodium vapor lamps.  I could barely see anything of the night sky.  But, unlike my friends and most of my family, I happened to be fascinated with all things nature-related, and I dare say I had more patience than others of my cohort.  I had the obligatory cheap 60mm refractor and saw the craters of the Moon, Jupiter and its moons, a tiny Saturn, the smudge of the Andromeda Galaxy, and a bit of the Orion Nebula.  At one point, I borrowed one of my school's 6-inch Newtonian reflectors (a venerable Criterion RV-6, as I recall) and saw the Ring Nebula, a thrill that I never forgot.  I joined the local astronomy club and got to look through a 12.5" Newtonian from a darker sight.  Thrill x 10.

 

However, the club consisted of a very biased sample of the local population -- about a half-dozen men, aged 30-40 and older, with pocket calculators using reverse Polish notation.  It seemed that nobody else had any interest in this stuff, and anybody that was interested was a total nerd.

 

Now here we are, the tiny, concentrated handful of unusually patient people who were ever interested in this stuff to begin with, using this new "internet" thing to find and associate with others like us beyond our local geography.

 

I have set up my telescope at a local park visited by hundreds of people per day, and there is always some fraction of those people who stop to ask what I'm looking at.  When I guide them visually around the sky for even just a few minutes, or let them look through the telescope, or show them processed pictures of what I'm imaging, they are absolutely fascinated and grateful.  Maybe there are more of us nerds out there than we think.

Do you think now that we can go on sites like Cloudy Nights and learn from one another that it contributes to the feeling that we don't need to meet up in person ? Are we not as guilty as the current generation ? Just saying.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 04:48 PM

I think that’s a fallacy, gear is relatively cheap. Compare a Celestron StarSense DX102 at $420, to an AstroScan which ran $229 back then or the equivalent of $713 today. Gear is cheaper today and better. As a beginner a 60-100mm scope is adequate and if you buy used you can get a decent one for under $100.

I have bought more equipment over $1000 than under.  If you want to be successful at the hobby you really need good equipment

 

ASI2600

ASi294MCPro($999)

EQ6R Pro

CEM40

LX90

Esprit100

 

Then add in the OAGs, filters, power boxes, EAFs(Optecs are >$500 ea)MeLe computers and it is not inexpensive at all.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 04:57 PM

This is purely my observations/opinion, do you guys see the same thing? If so what are we doing wrong and what can we do to get people into it?

The older people are doing what they want to do.  The younger people are doing what they want to do.  The problem is with the older people thinking that the younger people ought to be doing the same things as the older people.

 

It seems that some of the older folks are unable to understand and accept that the younger folks grew up in a different world.

 

This ought to be a win-win situation with the older folks gaining pleasure in doing what they want to do and younger folks gaining pleasure doing what they want to do.

 

It just seems stupid to expect younger people to have the same interests as some of the older folks.  Face it.  The older folks and the younger folks grew up in different worlds.  Let each individual, regardless of age, etc. enjoy living the life they want to live -- to participate in the hobbies in which they want to participate, and to do it all in their ways -- not in the outdated ways of previous generations.

 

The only "problem" I'm seeing here is some of the older folks thinking that the younger folk should share their hobbies and interests and participate in them in the same ways that they did.

 

Our worlds are different.  Accept it.  Live with it.  Stop trying to make them the same.  The problem is with those last few words that I quoted:  "what can we do to get people into it?"

 

Continue to enjoy this hobby in your own ways while permitting and encouraging others to participate in their hobbies in whatever ways they prefer.

 

So what if the memberships of some clubs are greying?  Maybe those clubs ought to die along with their greying members.  That may not be such a bad thing -- certainly not if there's insufficient interest from younger members to continue with it.


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 05:00 PM

This is the classic “youth of Athens” fallacy, Socrates complained about it 2 millennia ago. “Our youth now love luxury, they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders, and they love to chatter instead of exercise. Children are now tyrants not servants of their household. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

Actual STEM degrees awarded have been tracking up.
https://nces.ed.gov/...dt22_318.45.asp

I think amateur astronomy has separate issues, namely: light pollution and a lack of exciting space exploration. Light pollution is much worse today than even a few decades ago and if you can’t see the stars why would you care about them? Space exploration today is not nearly as exciting as the space race so there’s less interest in space, generally.

Alas... Socrates was right then and prescient in anticipating now. But there are a few exceptions, even though the current trend remains degenerative.    Tom 


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Posted 15 January 2025 - 05:04 PM

I have bought more equipment over $1000 than under. If you want to be successful at the hobby you really need good equipment

ASI2600
ASi294MCPro($999)
EQ6R Pro
CEM40
LX90
Esprit100

Then add in the OAGs, filters, power boxes, EAFs(Optecs are >$500 ea)MeLe computers and it is not inexpensive at all.


Your hobby seemingly is AP, notice how all of the equipment I discussed is visual…
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Posted 15 January 2025 - 05:36 PM

The older people are doing what they want to do. The younger people are doing what they want to do. The problem is with the older people thinking that the younger people ought to be doing the same things as the older people.

It seems that some of the older folks are unable to understand and accept that the younger folks grew up in a different world.

This ought to be a win-win situation with the older folks gaining pleasure in doing what they want to do and younger folks gaining pleasure doing what they want to do.

It just seems stupid to expect younger people to have the same interests as some of the older folks. Face it. The older folks and the younger folks grew up in different worlds. Let each individual, regardless of age, etc. enjoy living the life they want to live -- to participate in the hobbies in which they want to participate, and to do it all in their ways -- not in the outdated ways of previous generations.

The only "problem" I'm seeing here is some of the older folks thinking that the younger folk should share their hobbies and interests and participate in them in the same ways that they did.

Our worlds are different. Accept it. Live with it. Stop trying to make them the same. The problem is with those last few words that I quoted: "what can we do to get people into it?"

Continue to enjoy this hobby in your own ways while permitting and encouraging others to participate in their hobbies in whatever ways they prefer.

So what if the memberships of some clubs are greying? Maybe those clubs ought to die along with their greying members. That may not be such a bad thing -- certainly not if there's insufficient interest from younger members to continue with it.


As a younger astronomer (early 30s), I have a vested interest in getting other people interested. For there to be equipment produced there need to be buyers. To preserve the night skies from more LP there need to be people who care. I get tremendous pleasure from observing and I want to share it with friends and family. People don’t really know the hobby and don’t understand it. If you expect that a telescope is well beyond your financial grasp you relegate it to the corner of your mind. In addition, young people have so many potential hobbies and exposure to them is imperative to get them interested.
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Posted 15 January 2025 - 05:47 PM

Great thread, I hope it continues without the generational tit for tat. 
 

I’ll keep talking about the stars and planets with everyone I meet. FTR, one of my music students is a very bright 10yo boy, and he’s intensely interested in astronomy. When I was a primary (elementary) school teacher, I made sure to teach the students some basic astronomy. The interest is certainly still there.


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