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#1 Enakhra

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Posted 30 January 2025 - 03:12 PM

This is my first post! I'm very new to visual astronomy and had quite the experience during my last viewing session.

I own a second hand Celestron NexStar 6SE. Despite my best efforts, I can't seem to properly align the scope (an issue for another day). Regardless, I slew around the night sky aimlessly and have just as much fun.

Yesterday, I set my eyes on Venus. With a misaligned finder scope and my widest lens, I started my quest. And within the next few minutes... I stumbled across Saturn??? It didn't cross my mind that Saturn might be visible tonight, let alone intentionally centering it in my scope.

It was absolutely awesome! It allowed me to experience the same sense of discovery and excitement that, I assume, the earliest astronomers felt searching the skies - not knowing what they might find. As simple as it sounds, the moment truly resonated with me and I felt it necessary to share!

 

Does anyone else have a similar experience? (Or maybe some tips for a newcomer.) 

Thank you, friends!


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 03:16 PM

I think all of us who have observed the sky, have similar experiences. The first sight of the Moon through binoculars or a small telescope, the first sight of Saturn, etc. 

 

 

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Posted 30 January 2025 - 03:18 PM

I am sure Galileo was in awe, but just think about how much better a modern observer's view is compared to his.


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 03:27 PM

You will find many, many tips here on CN.  Try aligning your finder scope in daylight.  Find an object as far away as you can.  Much easier to do in daylight.  You can find various web sites which will essentially show in real time what is viewable from your location.  I use Stellarium (stelllarium.org).  Everything you would ever hope to know about backyard astronomy can be found on this site.  Keep steady at it.


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 03:45 PM

This is my first post! I'm very new to visual astronomy and had quite the experience during my last viewing session.

I own a second hand Celestron NexStar 6SE. Despite my best efforts, I can't seem to properly align the scope (an issue for another day). Regardless, I slew around the night sky aimlessly and have just as much fun.

Yesterday, I set my eyes on Venus. With a misaligned finder scope and my widest lens, I started my quest. And within the next few minutes... I stumbled across Saturn??? It didn't cross my mind that Saturn might be visible tonight, let alone intentionally centering it in my scope.

It was absolutely awesome! It allowed me to experience the same sense of discovery and excitement that, I assume, the earliest astronomers felt searching the skies - not knowing what they might find. As simple as it sounds, the moment truly resonated with me and I felt it necessary to share!

 

Does anyone else have a similar experience? (Or maybe some tips for a newcomer.) 

 

Congratulations!

 

Yes, I had a very similar awe-inspiring experience. Also with a misaligned finderscope grin.gif.

 

I was 11 or so and trying to get an old telescope from the attic working. The finder scope didn't have any adjustment screws so I botched something up. With the finderscope aimed at Jupiter, I could see the Pleiades in the main scope. I was in awe. A few days later, I looked at Jupiter and its moons had moved. Now that was a truly Galilean moment.

 

Go and check out the Galilean Moons for a truly Galilean experience waytogo.gif.

 

Have fun

Tak


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 04:37 PM

 

Go and check out the Galilean Moons for a truly Galilean experience waytogo.gif.

 

Have fun

Tak

 

^THIS^

 

To add - If you enjoy reading and want to time travel a bit, do check out Albert Van Helden's translation of Sidereus Nuncius (Starry Messenger) published by Galileo in 1610. It's a quick read and I believe there is a PDF available online for free.

 

You can feel his excitement when he details seeing small "stars" near Jupiter, which turned out to be her moons - in doing so, shattering Aristotelian beliefs and the egocentric notion that everything revolves around the earth. He was an OG gangster: 

 

Behold, therefore, four stars reserved for your illustrious name, and not of the common sort and multitude of the less notable fixed stars, but of the illustrious order of wandering stars, which, indeed, make their journeys and orbits with a marvelous speed around the star of Jupiter, the most noble of them all, with mutually different motions, like children of the same family, while meanwhile all together, in mutual harmony, complete their great revolutions every twelve years about the center of the world, that is, about the Sun itself.


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 04:45 PM

(Or maybe some tips for a newcomer.)
While it doesn't deal with purchasing or using a telescope directly, you may find some of the information on astronomy, amateur astronomy, and observing presented in my post (#22) at https://www.cloudyni...mers/?p=5184287 useful, Enakhra. There are sections on various books, observing guides, the Moon, the planets, star-hopping, stellar atlases, planispheres, planetarium programs, astronomy apps, deep-sky objects, lists of worthwhile celestial objects to observe, binocular astronomy, urban astronomy, and other related topics.
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Posted 30 January 2025 - 05:07 PM

If you don't already have an astronomy app, I suggest downloading Stellarium.
 

https://stellarium.org/
 

There's an online version at https://stellarium-web.org/

 

You may find the interactive observing tools at https://skyandtelesc...watching-tools/ useful.

 

Sky & Telescope and Astronomy post weekly articles on objects to observe and upcoming astronomical events.

 

Here are the most recent ones:
 

https://skyandtelesc...-24-february-2/
 

https://www.astronom...-24-to-31-2025/
 

I post a list of links to sites with such information on a monthly basis titled The Sky This Month in the Astro Websites/Other Media-Threads of Interest forum.

https://www.cloudyni...es-other-media/


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 05:07 PM

As I understand it, when Galileo first observed the Galilean moons of Jupiter he exclaimed, “This is so cool! I can’t wait to tell the Pope about this!”

 

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Posted 30 January 2025 - 05:32 PM

As I understand it, when Galileo first observed the Galilean moons of Jupiter he exclaimed, “This is so cool! I can’t wait to tell the Pope about this!”

 

DonW

Almost famous last words. lol.gif


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 06:37 PM

Welcome to C/N! flowerred.gif

 

Every amateur astronomer's first view of Saturn is jaw dropping jawdrop.gif Mine was with an old Tasco refractor that I inherited in 1975. I was so excited that I went yelling "I found it!!" back into the house to get my friend so she could see it too. It was a great shared experience. Good luck on your journey! borg.gif


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 06:46 PM

It is always exciting to hear the stories of those who marvel at the sight of a celestial body for the first time. In fact, to a greater or lesser extent, all observers continue to marvel as we discover new things... often in "old" and well-gazed objects, other times in objects that we manage to locate or detect for the first time... In this sense, the Moon or Jupiter are "inexhaustible" sources of surprises: no matter how much you observe them, they always keep some little secret to reveal to you.

 

You are in luck because now you have, in the early evening sky, some of the best and easiest to locate celestial objects. To start with, the planets: as you have seen, Saturn, in the west, with its rings almost edge-on, shortly after sunset, and Venus, a little higher, shows its waning phase. Just 4º west of Venus is Neptune, a very distinguishable deep blue dot with the telescope, although to be able to distinguish its disk requires quite a bit of magnification. Higher up, but falling towards the geographic northwest horizon, is the great square of Pegasus and Andromeda, with its famous galaxy M31. If your sky is a little dark, you will not have any trouble identifying its two main satellite galaxies very close: M32 and M110. Further north and at the moment over Cassiopeia, is the famous Double Cluster, two small twin open clusters very close to each other against a rich background of stars, which are a favourite of many observers.

 

Above the southern horizon, Jupiter shines high, reigning in the skies. Not far from it, towards the SE of Jupiter, you have the Pleiades (M45), a fantastic swarm of young stars, and about 5º to the south from them, you can locate Uranus as a prominent turquoise point in the telescope, which at about 150x already begins to reveal its disk. To the SW of Jupiter is the great constellation of Orion, the hunter, with his dogs, identified by their main stars, the brilliant Sirius (the brightest star in the night sky) and Procyon, higher up. In Orion's sword you will enjoy the sight of the wonderful great nebula M42. Stop at the core of it and try to count how many stars you can see: it is what is known as Trapezium. Approximately 30º to the W of Procyon (that is approximately a palm and a half of your hand with your arm extended in front of your face) is the constellation of Cancer, which contains another spectacular cluster of stars: the Manger, or the Beehive (M44). And above them you will easily locate Mars, with its unmistakable orange glow, very close to Pollux (Gemini), and a few days after its opposition, which indicates that it is the best time to observe it.

 

This is just a brief description of some of the highlights you can find with relative ease in the early evening sky these days.

 

Some tips that will help you a lot in your searches are to align your finderscope with the main tube and to download a planetarium app like Stellarium on your smartphone or tablet (most have very complete free versions). They are very useful to learn how to navigate the sky in real time, and they also offer you a perspective adapted to your location. If you manage to align your C6 mount as well, it will be a great achievement, since that will allow you to have access to the large GoTo database and follow the objects without them disappearing from the field of view so quickly. Good collimation of your C6 will also help you get good views of everything you observe. Do you know this guide?: https://www.celestro...llimation-guide

 

To plan your observations you can use apps like The Sky Live or Tonight's Sky. These apps show you the highlights of "your sky", according to your preferences.

 

Good luck and clear skies!


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Posted 30 January 2025 - 11:53 PM

Think about the situation though - Galileo didn't "know" what he was looking at as we do!


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Posted 31 January 2025 - 12:17 AM

  Enakhra welcome to C/N ! 

 I can still usually find something that instills a sense of awe in me just about every time I take my scope out. Don't ever lose the wonder of our chunk of the heavens. There is enough to see even in a small scope to keep giving you wow moments.

  Many reports here that say the 6SE is a nice scope. You should have fun with it.

  Clear skies and keep looking up. Doc


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Posted 31 January 2025 - 12:24 AM

This is how it all begins. And your scope would blow Galileo's away in terms of performance. The first view of Saturn is the thing that hooked many of us. Welcome aboard.


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Posted 31 January 2025 - 12:39 AM

Welcome to CN and the beginning of having a much lighter wallet!

 

One difference between your experience and Galileo's is that you'll not need to worry about being tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", and forced to recant. wink.gif


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Posted 31 January 2025 - 12:00 PM

I am sure Galileo was in awe, but just think about how much better a modern observer's view is compared to his.

I’d like to have Galileo’s dark skies to go along with our modern equipment.

 

- Bob S.


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Posted 31 January 2025 - 02:01 PM

I think Galileo's exitement was likely more mixed than ours.

He did not have the benefit to know what to expect, the ability to right away explain what he saw. And maybe even some doubts that what he saw wasn't just some artefact from the telescope he used.

And ontop of that he had to quite seriously worry about the inquisition when he "posted" about what he saw.

 

I think compared to that our experiences are much, much more joyful.


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Posted 31 January 2025 - 09:22 PM

What rksturm said. Think how Galileo would feel if he had our scopes. WOW indeed !



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Posted 31 January 2025 - 09:42 PM

Think about the situation though - Galileo didn't "know" what he was looking at as we do!

The Church didn't know either, but neither were they willing to let him spread his new findings and his interpretations of them.  People think that Galileo was placed under house arrest because what he proposed was heretical.  Not so; he was censured for disobedience.  He wrote 'A Dialog on the Two World Systems' after he received an injunction from the Pope to keep him from publishing and from teaching what he thought he understood. Worse, he poked fun at the Pope by making one of his characters, Simplicio, sound a lot like His Holiness.  Wasn't his brightest moment, if brave. lol.gif grin.gif  About the only thing that saved Galileo from the full wrath of the Pope was that the Prefect of the Index of Prohibited Books, Cardinal Bellarmine, liked Galileo and we think he secretly accepted what Galileo had discovered.


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Posted 01 February 2025 - 03:19 PM

Welcome to C/N! flowerred.gif

 

Every amateur astronomer's first view of Saturn is jaw dropping jawdrop.gif Mine was with an old Tasco refractor that I inherited in 1975. I was so excited that I went yelling "I found it!!" back into the house to get my friend so she could see it too. It was a great shared experience. Good luck on your journey! borg.gif

Seven I have you beat my first view of Saturn was in the 50s through my uncles shinny brass refractor. I can still see the image. I was awed a few weeks ago when I saw Jupiter and three of it's moons. So many awe inspiring things above us 


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Posted 01 February 2025 - 07:00 PM

Welcome to CN.......and you really touched the core of what this is all about.

I don't think any of us go out in the night and gaze at the heavens and don't have that same feeling.....EVER TIME! 

From the.smallest scopes to the mightiest...there is something to bring awe!

Keep having fun, and ask away......we get to relive the thrill with you.

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Posted 02 February 2025 - 09:32 PM

In all the time I've been viewing The Orion nebula a couple nights ago was the first time I was ever able to see all the stars in the trapezium. Don't know why I never could before. For me it was a WOW moment.


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Posted 02 February 2025 - 09:37 PM

All stars ? Or just the six most folks are gushing about. lol.gif 

The list goes to component I .... at mag 16.  Not even counting spectroscopic doubles, triples and quintruples  lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif

https://www.astropix.../trapezium.html

 

The list of iinitial observers for those components spots tons a familiar names.


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Posted 03 February 2025 - 01:32 PM

I wonder if Galileo ever had a moment when he thought I am the first person to see this? Or did he go what the heck is that?


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