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#1 Ittaku

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Posted 05 February 2025 - 04:31 AM

I've been highly looking forward to the 585 sensor in mono once I heard it was coming out, and QHY are the first to announce one.

 

https://x.com/QHYCCD...003241512362429

 

That said, there are no specific details about the mono model on their website, though it's just listed alongside the colour variant.

 

https://www.qhyccd.com/qhy5iii585/

 

I'm not a fan of QHY's driver support so I'll wait till Player One or ZWO come out with theirs. My Player One colour version the Uranus-C has been my staple workhorse in one shot colour since it came out and has performed superbly in all that time. I'd prefer the PO if they come out with one soon.



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Posted 05 February 2025 - 05:21 AM

I have had the QHY 585 mono for over a month. I took one shot in ir in below average seeing. The 462 mono is a better camera for planetary imaging. The 462 is faster, and has less noise. Im still waiting on good seeing to really test it out.
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Posted 05 February 2025 - 05:28 AM

I have had the QHY 585 mono for over a month. I took one shot in ir in below average seeing. The 462 mono is a better camera for planetary imaging. The 462 is faster, and has less noise. Im still waiting on good seeing to really test it out.

Thanks for the feedback. I know the 462 has less noise and better IR sensitivity, however at the same frame size, my Uranus-C has faster frame rates than my zwo 462 mono, so I find that part surprising.



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Posted 05 February 2025 - 05:36 AM

I was using 1000 x 900 roi on both cameras. I was getting 120 fps on the 462, and 89 fps on the 585 mono. I do not know if that makes a difference.

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Posted 05 February 2025 - 05:37 AM

I was using 1000 x 900 roi on both cameras. I was getting 120 fps on the 462, and 89 fps on the 585 mono.

That's bizarre, but dare I say it - that's probably the QHY driver and not the sensor. At that ROI I can get 200fps on my Uranus-C.



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Posted 05 February 2025 - 05:41 AM

Oops typo i meant to say 1200 x 1000 roi. Here are the qhy listed frame rates: 1080Lines, 82FPS@8bit, 47FPS@16bit
640Lines, 135FPS@8bit, 79FPS@16bit

I get 200fps as well at lower roi's

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Posted 05 February 2025 - 05:45 AM

Oops typo i meant to say 1200 x 1000 roi. Here are the qhy listed frame rates: 1080Lines, 82FPS@8bit, 47FPS@16bit
640Lines, 135FPS@8bit, 79FPS@16bit

I get 200fps as well at lower roi's

Yep that's low. I get 187fps at 1920x1080.

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Posted 05 February 2025 - 05:48 AM

This was the first light shot in below average seeing. I think these cameras are outstanding at lower roi's. However when Jupiter gets near opposition my frame rates will decrease. 


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Posted 05 February 2025 - 05:51 AM

Interesting and thanks! Maybe it is a driver issue? I put a ticket in to see what happens. By the way it is alot more sensitive in blue. I have nit compared the graphs on the two cameras yet though.

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Posted 05 February 2025 - 06:19 AM

Interesting and thanks! Maybe it is a driver issue? I put a ticket in to see what happens. By the way it is alot more sensitive in blue. I have nit compared the graphs on the two cameras yet though.

Yeah my hope is it will be my RGB camera of choice, as blue is always the problem. The 462 will remain my IR workhorse (it looks a lot better for methane too fwiw.)

 

As for the driver, it's complicated. Having written USB drivers myself in the past, I know how much can go wrong. I've had one QHY camera (ironically a 462) and when I ran it on linux I saw incredible CPU usage showing some classic driver design mistakes - and writing USB drivers on linux is simpler than windows, you don't even have to install anything for planetary cameras. However, that was a long time ago and QHY were new back then, but it put me off them forever. The fact their website advertises those as the actual frame rates means it could well be the communication chip they're using to fit into the compact form factor they make them in. Note that ZWO use the standard recommended communication chip that comes with the Sony sensor and Player One use their own custom communication chip - getting slightly faster frame rates and not cropping the last few pixels off the sensor. I may have misunderstood the exact combination of hardware and what's responsible here, but the crux of it is - the QHY probably can't go any faster even with an updated software driver.



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Posted 05 February 2025 - 07:15 AM

I figured that could be the case also. I was going to update to the playerone because that is my camera of choice. Yes you will be happy with the blue response!
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Posted 05 February 2025 - 08:05 AM

TTech@ZWO
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We will produce both cooled and uncooled 585MM.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:42 AM

By the way it is alot more sensitive in blue.

If the blue is sensitive, then maybe this will prove to be a new UV champion as well?




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