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#1 TheReboot

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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:10 PM

Hi everyone, this is my first post on the forums and I'd like a little bit of help as I've just bought my first telescope.
 

I bought an Apetura AD6 which is a 6 inch dob, but it hasn't come in yet. I was wondering if there was anywhere I could find what each of the planets look like through it while I wait. I can't find any of the planets except for Saturn and Jupiter but I'd love to see each of them and know what I should be expecting. The same question applies for deep sky objects because I know I can see a few of those from where I live but I also know that a 6 inch telescope is still very limited in what it can see.


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:15 PM

Find the Orion Nebula, it's always nice. I'm not sure if you would fit the Pleiades in your field of view but you could try for them as well
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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:25 PM

Find the Orion Nebula, it's always nice. I'm not sure if you would fit the Pleiades in your field of view but you could try for them as well

Thank you I know I can get good sights of it from my home town so I'll be sure to look for Orion after I get used to using it!



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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:31 PM

Welcome to this forum!

 

You can also spot Mars, a yellowish and dimmer version of Jupiter that is 'behind' it on the ecliptic (i.e. the path that the Sun, Moon and planets follow in the sky), rising after Jupiter. And Venus in the western early evening sky as the brightest object after the Sun and the Moon... Saturn is getting more and more difficult to see, will be better next Fall.

 

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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:32 PM

I bought an Apetura AD6 which is a 6 inch dob, but it hasn't come in yet. I was wondering if there was anywhere I could find what each of the planets look like through it while I wait. I can't find any of the planets except for Saturn and Jupiter but I'd love to see each of them and know what I should be expecting. The same question applies for deep sky objects because I know I can see a few of those from where I live but I also know that a 6 inch telescope is still very limited in what it can see.

Hi TheReboot and welcome to the forums,

 

I spent a couple of weeks with a 6" Dob someone donated to the local club, getting it collimated and proven out, and found it a fine and quite capable scope. You are getting a fine observing tool. Everybody wants to know the answer to your Q but there are so many variables that it can't be answered exactly. However, some things are true. Nothing will look like the pictures you may have seen. Planets will be small in the field of view BUT they will carry huge amounts of detail that will be increasingly revealed to you as you gain observing skill. Patient, calm, careful observing will bring observing skill. That's just how it works. Nothing you can buy will improve your views as much as lots of observing will.

 

Saturn is low in the sky at sundown now and dives out of sight pretty soon. Jupiter and Mars are overhead for easy viewing and highly recommended. Venus in the ESE fairly high can't be missed even naked eye. To see what they look like in your scope from your site you'll just have to look. One thing for sure: the more often you look at them and other objects, the more you will see. The moon brings an almost infinite level of detail to ferret out.

 

I recommend new observers get a planisphere like the fine 16" Kenpress Guide to the Stars and a Sky & Telescope Pocket Sky Atlas to help learn the sky and locations of objects observable from a good site with your scope.

 

Location, location, location fits amateur astronomy at least as well as it does real estate and it would be helpful if you'd put your observing location in your signature so we'll know how to help you better.


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:35 PM

Welcome to this forum!

 

You can also spot Mars, a yellowish and dimmer version of Jupiter that is 'behind' it on the ecliptic (i.e. the path that the Sun, Moon and planets follow in the sky), rising after Jupiter. And Venus in the western early evening sky as the brightest object after the Sun and the Moon... Saturn is getting more and more difficult to see, will be better next Fall.

 

--Christian

Thank you! Just out of curiosity, how would viewing conditions be around July? I'm planning on taking a trip to a dark sky area with a couple of my friends and I wanted to bring my telescope so we could try and see things as they really are.

I know an AD6 isn't exactly ideal but it's what I have so I'll have to make it work.


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:43 PM

Welcome to C/N! flowerred.gif

 

A good astronomy guide book will not only show you what objects look like but how to find them. This takes time and patience. Just a warning, planets will likely be disappointing in a small telescope. With the included high power eyepiece, Saturn will be tiny but the rings should be visible. However, at the moment they are tilted almost flat to us so not too impressive. Jupiter will show it's two major bands and on a good night some of it's swirling cloud structure. The moons will be clear and dancing around the planet. Mars is often just a red ball but occasionally some surface dark patches and a tiny white ice cap can be seen. Venus is a featureless very bright disc. Uranus and Neptune are tiny but colorful dots. Most other objects will require some help to find them. There are a number of ways but I recommend this astro guide book to get off to a good start. Best of luck to you! borg.gif 

 

 https://www.amazon.c...,aps,459&sr=8-1.


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:44 PM

Don't knock your scope. It's probably going to really surprise you, especially from under darker skies.


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 01:47 PM

Hi TheReboot and welcome to the forums,

 

I spent a couple of weeks with a 6" Dob someone donated to the local club, getting it collimated and proven out, and found it a fine and quite capable scope. You are getting a fine observing tool. Everybody wants to know the answer to your Q but there are so many variables that it can't be answered exactly. However, some things are true. Nothing will look like the pictures you may have seen. Planets will be small in the field of view BUT they will carry huge amounts of detail that will be increasingly revealed to you as you gain observing skill. Patient, calm, careful observing will bring observing skill. That's just how it works. Nothing you can buy will improve your views as much as lots of observing will.

 

Saturn is low in the sky at sundown now and dives out of sight pretty soon. Jupiter and Mars are overhead for easy viewing and highly recommended. Venus in the ESE fairly high can't be missed even naked eye. To see what they look like in your scope from your site you'll just have to look. One thing for sure: the more often you look at them and other objects, the more you will see. The moon brings an almost infinite level of detail to ferret out.

 

I recommend new observers get a planisphere like the fine 16" Kenpress Guide to the Stars and a Sky & Telescope Pocket Sky Atlas to help learn the sky and locations of objects observable from a good site with your scope.

 

Location, location, location fits amateur astronomy at least as well as it does real estate and it would be helpful if you'd put your observing location in your signature so we'll know how to help you better.

Thank you for your help! I'll definitely pick up a star chart and atlas before my scope comes in! I also updated my signature to make it a bit better lol!

 

I look forward to a lot of viewing!!!


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 02:09 PM

Welcome to C/N! flowerred.gif

 

A good astronomy guide book will not only show you what objects look like but how to find them. This takes time and patience. Just a warning, planets will likely be disappointing in a small telescope. With the included high power eyepiece, Saturn will be tiny but the rings should be visible. However, at the moment they are tilted almost flat to us so not too impressive. Jupiter will show it's two major bands and on a good night some of it's swirling cloud structure. The moons will be clear and dancing around the planet. Mars is often just a red ball but occasionally some surface dark patches and a tiny white ice cap can be seen. Venus is a featureless very bright disc. Uranus and Neptune are tiny but colorful dots. Most other objects will require some help to find them. There are a number of ways but I recommend this astro guide book to get off to a good start. Best of luck to you! borg.gif

 

 https://www.amazon.c...,aps,459&sr=8-1.

That looks like a great guide I'll be sure to check it out thank you!


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 03:37 PM

I use Stellarium to locate things in the sky. I am a beginner like you and learn a lot here. I have a apertura 10 inch Dob. So far I really like it. The laser collimator on mine needed to be collimated before I could use it. The 30mm eyepiece is good the 9mm leaves a lot to be desired (needs more eye relief) The moon filter well it's there. You should be warned about the "new scope curse" expect sever weeks of clouds . But when you get a clear night wow  saw Jupiter and 3 of her moons. Good luck. 


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 04:55 PM

Don't underestimate a 6 inch scope. You can see the Messier catalog and thousands of other dso's, if you are in a good area. My old 6 inch f6 GSO dob was surprisingly close to my at115edt in overall performance except for the coma which wasn't too bad. It's difficult to beat a 6 inch dob in the bang for the buck competition.

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Posted 11 February 2025 - 06:32 PM

As the owner of a 6" f/6 Newtonian, I confirm what others have already said, you will not regret it. Under an urban or suburban sky it will not give you a great advantage over lower apertures, but under a dark sky you will notice those extra centimeters.

 

Newtonian telescopes, if they are well collimated, offer a great image quality in the center of the visual field. In your case, an f/8, the quality should cover a good part of the field. In addition, the CO is small and that impacts on a higher quality of the contrast of the details. For planetary observation I recommend you use eyepieces of a certain quality, which does not necessarily mean expensive. In my case, for example, I use orthoscopic ones (the Baader Classic), which are relatively inexpensive but of great quality.

 

You can see all the planets in the Solar System by appreciating the disk; Neptune and Mercury will be the most challenging because you will have to get close to 200x and you will need good seeing, and Mercury is always there, inserted in the glow of dusk or dawn. As for deep sky, you have at your disposal practically the entire Messier catalogue and many NGC and other catalogue objects. You just have to keep in mind that if you are looking for faint and diffuse objects, you will only be able to find them in dark skies.

 

Another field that you can also enjoy with your telescope is the observation of double stars, many of them with beautiful colour contrasts, such as gamma Andromedae or the so-called Albireo of winter (HJ3945, in Canis Majoris).

 

Here are some representations of how Jupiter and Saturn look with different telescope sizes; yours would correspond to the central representation.

Tamaños de Júpiter y Saturno vistos con telescopios de diferentes aberturas y a distintos aumentos.jpg


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Posted 11 February 2025 - 11:28 PM

Welcome, I can feel your excitement. A 6" reflector will give you all you can handle as a beginner. I can't overstate what's been said about a good guide/star chart.

 

Two things I'd like to add: Start out with low magnification ep's, 25mm to 35mm, until you find your targets. And second; I can't stress enough the value of a pair of binoculars. My go to's are 10x50, but anything will work. You can see large swaths of sky and familiarize yourself with the star fields your targets are hiding in. IMO, it'll save you hours of hunting with a scope. 

 

Good luck.


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Posted 12 February 2025 - 01:25 AM

+1 on Stellarium. It's free on your PC. In the top right of the screen is a toolbox that lets you enter your scope and eyepieces. When you click on an object it will show you what to expect to see (under dark skies)


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Posted 12 February 2025 - 01:32 AM

You may find some of the information on astronomy, amateur astronomy, and observing presented in my post (#22) at https://www.cloudyni...mers/?p=5184287 useful, TheReboot. There are sections on various books, observing guides, the Moon, the planets, star-hopping, stellar atlases, planispheres, planetarium programs, astronomy apps, deep-sky objects, lists of worthwhile celestial objects to observe, binocular astronomy, urban astronomy, and other related topics.


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Posted 12 February 2025 - 01:37 AM

It's important not to have unrealistic expectations about what a telescope, even a very large one, can do, especially when it comes to observing the planets.  The Astronomical League's graphic at https://www.astrolea...copes85x-11.pdf illustrates just how small the bright planets are in angular size compared to the Moon.


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Posted 12 February 2025 - 06:31 AM

You can observe Mars, very bright orange"star" on the east right after sunset.

Venus is evident right after sunset as the brightest "star" in the sky, hanging over the west.

 

As for deep sky objects, 6" is more than enough to observe hundreds of nebulae, clusters and galaxies.

6" aperture is far from being a limitation, light pollution and poor weather are your real problems.

 

The whole Messier catalog can be easily done on 10x50 binoculars from a good dark transparent sky.

The key words here being "darkness" and "transparency", you need both.


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Posted 12 February 2025 - 07:23 AM

I know an AD6 isn't exactly ideal but it's what I have so I'll have to make it work.


Bite your tongue! I know plenty of people who would argue that a 6-inch f/8 Dob is indeed the ideal beginner's scope, regardless of price. And any way you slice it, your telescope is a fantastically potent instrument, as well as being exceptionally easy to use. On most nights, it can show most of the planetary detail that would be visible through any telescope, and it can show thousands of deep-sky objects, many of them in great detail.

In a recent "if you could own only one telescope" thread, quite a lot of people said that their own personal choice in such a situation would be an 8-inch f/6 Dob. My own would be my 7-inch f/5.4 Dob. But I would happily settle for your scope as an alternative.


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Posted 12 February 2025 - 02:04 PM

Venus is nearing inferior conjunction, which will take place on March 23rd, and is becoming more and more of a crescent while growing larger in apparent (angular) size.

Mars was at opposition at 21:32 EST on January 15th and it was not a particularly close one.  Since then, Mars is growing smaller in angular size with each passing day.  During the oppositions in 2027 and 2029, Mars will be even smaller in angular size.

 

https://earthsky.org...from-2018-2033/

Jupiter is also past opposition but is still a good target.

https://skyandtelesc...script-utility/

https://skyandtelesc...great-red-spot/

Saturn is heading sunward and will be at superior conjunction (i.e., behind the Sun) on March 12th.  Its rings will be inclined mostly edge on for the rest of the year.

https://www.curtrenz.com/saturn02.html

Uranus and Neptune are both very small in apparent size.  


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Posted 12 February 2025 - 03:03 PM

Here are some binary (double) star and colorful carbon star lists:
 

binary stars
 

https://www.astronom...t-double-stars/
 

http://www.skyandtel...h/double-stars/
 

https://www.astrolea...ectList2021.pdf
 

https://gardenastron...m/double-stars/
 

carbon stars
 

http://www.skyandtel...-red1203201401/
 

https://www.astrolea...bonStarLog3.pdf
 

http://www.astrosurf...iar2/carbon.htm
 

https://www.johncbar...-star-list.html
 

https://amateurastro...r-carbon-stars/
 

https://calgary.rasc.ca/redstars.htm
 

The following are some DSO (deep sky object) lists:
 

https://www.messier-...er-object-list/ (the Messier Catalogue)
 

http://messier.seds....r/sac110bn.html (the SAC's best objects in the NGC list)
 

http://messier.seds....r/rasc-ngc.html (the RASC's finest NGC objects list)
 

http://www.tyler.net...pot/saa100.html (the sci.astro.amateur 100 list)
 

https://observers.or...eye-candy-list/ (The Eye Candy List)
 

http://www.ocrasc.ca...l Splendor.html (The All Splendours, No Fuzzies Observing List of 160 objects)


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Posted 12 February 2025 - 03:04 PM

Thank you! Just out of curiosity, how would viewing conditions be around July?

I'd say download Stellarium and advance the date til July! Or put it back to your birth date, to see if astrologers got it right...

 

For what it's worth, there won't be any planet visible in July, but the Milky Way should be due South and high, a spectacular display at a dark site!!! A perfect target for an AD6 with a 30 mm or so eyepiece.

 

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Posted 12 February 2025 - 03:23 PM

Celestial object list generators can be found at http://www.virtualcolony.com/sac/ and https://telescopius.com/ and http://tonightssky.com/MainPage.php



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Posted 12 February 2025 - 04:09 PM

Thank you! Just out of curiosity, how would viewing conditions be around July?

https://kenpress.com...025WOT07Jul.pdf



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Posted 12 February 2025 - 05:52 PM

Some of my recommendations https://astro.catshi...t-do-i-look-at/


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