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#1 vicuna

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Posted 14 March 2025 - 12:34 PM

How many clubs do you all belong to?

 

How far do you drive for your club?

 

not sure how to phrase this without sounding selfish: but I'm not used to being a part of a club without somehow contributing / being useful. Does anyone just join for "selfish" reasons? like just to have fun, meet other people that you can learn from, have access to dark sites, etc? like not to be a deadbeat or anything, but not sure how I'd feel about putting massive effort into growing the club at this point in my life (maybe in the future). or do you all join clubs with intentions to do outreach, etc?

 

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Posted 14 March 2025 - 12:45 PM

IME, most club members do not contribute other than participating in meetings and observing nights, and often paying dues.

 

I don't think there's an expectation beyond that, although contributing in other ways is always appreciated.

 

I am currently not a member of any clubs, although there are 4 within striking distance. I have been a member of ones at various times in my past, but a few friends and I observe together and discuss stuff, so that scratches that itch.

 

As far as driving time, many clubs hold meetings virtually these days. Of course, observing nights are in-person. With regard to a variation on your question, I am willing to drive up to about 1.5 hours for darker skies for a single night / not camping, further for multiple nights when I camp overnight.

 

Hope this helps.

 

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Posted 14 March 2025 - 12:56 PM

I joined my local Astronomy club so I could perhaps learn more, which I did. Later I became a director during one of the clubs' tumultuous times. I think and wondered why I joined at all...lol. Then I became the Secretary for a few years.

Now that I have gone through all of that I am stepping down for a bit for personal reasons that need to be taken care of.

 

Its ok to be selfish. You have to be, to learn anything from others. They provide, and you partake.

Go to a few Star Parties and ask questions. See what others are doing and how they go about it. Learn or try to ascertain their methodology and management of their efforts. Take notes and notice of everyone else.

 

Take your favorite camping chair and a pair of binoculars, something warm to drink and chat with people, and listen...and bring a red flashlight so you can see in the dark. Don't bring a bright flashlight, that is frowned upon.

Just go and have fun with like minded people. 

 

That's all. Be just a lurker for a couple of years before you decide to join the board and really start doing "Outreach" events. As a member, you will have an inside track of all the goings on without really getting too involved with the club.

The heavy lifting starts when you join the board. Then you get to see how the sausage is made...lol.


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Posted 14 March 2025 - 12:57 PM

Not everyone does that. Heck one club I belonged to for years had 3 members who had experiments fly on the Space Shuttle (they worked at the Space Telescope Institute in Maryland). There are a couple of clubs west of you that have already gone thru the phase of having a gung-ho member not only grow the club but refurbish a club observatory. I personally was one of the founders of the Astronomy Club at the National Security Agency in the 70's. Some of the dozen or so clubs I have belonged to the only thing I did was go to public star parties, and others all I did was go to meetings to listen to guest speakers or talk to other members after the meeting. Not every club will have members like yourself. Some clubs tend to attract members who want to do the same things like visual only or imaging only. You only find things out by going to their meetings or events.


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Posted 14 March 2025 - 12:59 PM

There are 240 members in my club and on club observing nights there are about 5-6 "regulars" and in the summer maybe 10-15 show up. It's about a 45 min drive for me to the club's "dark" site which is Bortle 6. During monthly meeting we have about 30 people in attendance and about that many on Zoom. I would say >80% are retirees. We have an imaging subgroup with about 10 people. 


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Posted 14 March 2025 - 01:24 PM

Hey , vicuña    
        Nothing wrong with joining a club or society. After a first look thru a telescope was instantly hooked . This was before the turn of the century and wanted to learn as much as possible as quick as possible, how to do that ? Figured to go where the amateur astronomers hang out , in this instance it turned out to be the Vancouver centre of the RASC . Brought money to pay for membership that night and they were kind enough to let me go home with a loaner telescope . What a great group of folks they are .

         There was no demand to participate but meetings and outreach events were places to ask questions and learn , so I did . There was no expectation that I would become part of the tree trunk that supports the group or a branch thereof . Just settled into becoming one of the many leaves on the tree that enjoyed being part of something bigger . Get as involved as you desire , like anything else in life you will get out a reciprocal of what is put in .

  If a club is not for you , quit after awhile, at least you do not hand over half of your equipment .  ;  )


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Posted 14 March 2025 - 01:47 PM

I like my club and the folks in it. But the number one reason I joined and pay is access to the observing site. I doubt I'd be a member if the club didn't have that. (Okay, I would, but I would grumble).

 

My engagement with the rest of the activities (meetings, outreach, etc) varies from non-existent to intense depending on mood and schedule. 


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Posted 14 March 2025 - 02:44 PM

I belong to two local clubs now for over 15 years, one of which I have been VERY involved with. I did not join either to "be needed", but it happened. Sharing views through Outreach is my weakness (!).

The reasons to join an astro club are as varied as the different ways we enjoy the hobby itself (Visual vs AP, Social vs alone, ATM vs commercial, Outreach vs alone, etc.).

A community of people have a big advantage over many "lone wolves". Members share expertise with varied equipment, imaging, observing, ATM, etc. I personally would not have survived more than 5 years in this hobby if not for the help of others. I probably would have been reticent to ask other members for help if I was not a member. Members encourage each other as well as providing a helping hand when needed. Outreach is an example of how a club can better attract a crowd vs. a single telescope operator. Lastly, a club will typically have liability insurance for its members, which could be a huge consideration with Outreach.
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Posted 14 March 2025 - 03:57 PM

How many clubs do you all belong to?

 

How far do you drive for your club?

 

not sure how to phrase this without sounding selfish: but I'm not used to being a part of a club without somehow contributing / being useful. Does anyone just join for "selfish" reasons? like just to have fun, meet other people that you can learn from, have access to dark sites, etc? like not to be a deadbeat or anything, but not sure how I'd feel about putting massive effort into growing the club at this point in my life (maybe in the future). or do you all join clubs with intentions to do outreach, etc?

 

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I'm in two astronomy clubs.  One club is 15 miles roundtrip to meetings and 130 miles roundtrip to the dark site.  The other club is 70 miles roundtrip to meetings and 90 miles roundtrip to the dark site.  I actually joined both clubs because of my interest in astronomy and looking for ways to socialize, have fun and maybe make some friends.  I had retired earlier to deal with family medical issues.  That took over five years.  When those situations stabilized I needed to kinda start life anew.  I joined both clubs going to observing sessions, learning from other members and enjoying the socialization for several years before deciding to get more involved and giving back for all I had received.  I also joined an archaeology club for the same reasons and followed the same path.  

 

Do what works for you.  Nothing to feel bad about if you just join a club to have fun.


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Posted 14 March 2025 - 04:57 PM

I'm currently a member of three astronomy clubs and have belonged to two others in the past.  I'm most active in the closest one to me, which is the one that I've been a member for the longest time.  I've been involved in many different aspects of all three clubs including being an officer, a trustee, authoring a monthly astronomy calendar, helping to teach an astronomy course, and participating in many outreach events.


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Posted 14 March 2025 - 06:05 PM

Member of two clubs now, will probably join one more soon.  My primary club is local and I am 30-45 minutes from either observatory.  I originally joined just for access to the grounds and stayed that way for several years.  Now I'm a very active member, with my hands in several aspects and handling much of the outreach for the club.  I'm far less active in the 2nd club, about 120 miles away.  I help a little, but mostly just pay dues.  The third club will be a couple states away and will be dues only.

If you want to get more involved, any help would be welcomed.  If you just pay dues, that's o.k. too.


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Posted 14 March 2025 - 10:22 PM

Member of two clubs now, will probably join one more soon.  My primary club is local and I am 30-45 minutes from either observatory.  I originally joined just for access to the grounds and stayed that way for several years.  Now I'm a very active member, with my hands in several aspects and handling much of the outreach for the club.  I'm far less active in the 2nd club, about 120 miles away.  I help a little, but mostly just pay dues.  The third club will be a couple states away and will be dues only.

If you want to get more involved, any help would be welcomed.  If you just pay dues, that's o.k. too.

But then, you will need to change your name to, "Richie3shoes" I would think?


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Posted 15 March 2025 - 07:51 PM

How many clubs do you all belong to?

 

How far do you drive for your club?

 

not sure how to phrase this without sounding selfish: but I'm not used to being a part of a club without somehow contributing / being useful. Does anyone just join for "selfish" reasons? like just to have fun, meet other people that you can learn from, have access to dark sites, etc? like not to be a deadbeat or anything, but not sure how I'd feel about putting massive effort into growing the club at this point in my life (maybe in the future). or do you all join clubs with intentions to do outreach, etc?

 

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It’s a club. You participate as much or as little as you like. You pay dues annually to help the club out. The rest is on you. It’s not a job, there have never been any expectations in any clubs I’ve been in or the one I am currently part of. 



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Posted 15 March 2025 - 08:34 PM

I am in one club, joined about 7 years ago. I can't not help, first by doing the newsletter and now redesigning and running the website as well as being voted in as VP. I also help out with the Astronomical League's Reflector in a small way.

 

It's a lot of work, but a worthy endeavor. The club is 60 years old this year and we are just caretakers.

 

We have a growing membership, but it's clear many members that join do so impulsively and hardly show up. Our dues are very reasonable so the impulsive joiners help our cashflow. Our monthly meetings typically have 30-50 people show up in person, and maybe another 15 via 'zoom'. 

 

We do a nice amount of outreach which I find rewarding. We don't have an observing site per se, but we do have an observatory on someone else's site and we open it to the public every clear Saturday night.

 

I don't have time to be active in more than one club. Maybe one day but not now.

 

Joining as 'just a member' is fine. It's a commitment to take on club responsibility so be a member for a while to be sure you like it. The club will rely on you with those responsibilities so it's better to be sure you're up for it and LIKE the club before taking something on that you'll want to quit.


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Posted 15 March 2025 - 08:46 PM

I'm not a member of any clubs but thinking about joining one mostly for access to dark site but also for the community outreach.

 

Those who are club members, what do you talk about at club meetings? Sorry, maybe a dumb question. I like the idea of being outside observing with a group much more than sitting indoors in a meeting but these are probably necessary.


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Posted 15 March 2025 - 08:47 PM

Our club just did a 2025 calendar from all the "imagers" that contributed their pictures.

Of course we had to have them sign a "right to use" permission wavier, so someone could not come back on us and sue. Yes, there are the nicest people that would do that.

Since we are a non profit, we had people give us a $25.00 minimum donation per calender.

After our expenses, we made over half again our expenditures.

This is not profit, and it goes back into our club so we can maintain our observatory and other expenses.

We plan on doing it again for next year.

We got our membership involved, collected photos and had a select set of judges that then pick the winners to put in the calendar with name recognition.

Everyone seemed to have a good time with the idea.


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Posted 15 March 2025 - 09:28 PM

I'm not a member of any clubs but thinking about joining one mostly for access to dark site but also for the community outreach.

 

Those who are club members, what do you talk about at club meetings? Sorry, maybe a dumb question. I like the idea of being outside observing with a group much more than sitting indoors in a meeting but these are probably necessary.

In both my clubs we usually have a presentation by a member or a local professor on some topic related to astronomy and a short business meeting.  We'll also have open discussions about coming events of interest, observing, etc.  One club meets in a restaurant in a 'meeting room'.  In that club we socialize over a meal and then conduct the meeting.  As an example Friday night's meeting consisted of a presentation by a member on the Astronomical League observing programs.  We had a short business meeting and then discussed the coming weekend camping/observing trip to a local state park where we will be allowed to camp in an open field for free.  In return we will conduct outreach in the early evening and then pursue our own personal observing the rest of each night.  We also discussed our plans for the Messier Marathon the following weekend. 


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Posted 15 March 2025 - 09:38 PM

In both my clubs we usually have a presentation by a member or a local professor on some topic related to astronomy and a short business meeting.  We'll also have open discussions about coming events of interest, observing, etc.  One club meets in a restaurant in a 'meeting room'.  In that club we socialize over a meal and then conduct the meeting.  As an example Friday night's meeting consisted of a presentation by a member on the Astronomical League observing programs.  We had a short business meeting and then discussed the coming weekend camping/observing trip to a local state park where we will be allowed to camp in an open field for free.  In return we will conduct outreach in the early evening and then pursue our own personal observing the rest of each night.  We also discussed our plans for the Messier Marathon the following weekend. 

Cool! I like it. Thanks


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Posted 15 March 2025 - 11:25 PM

I'm not a member of any clubs but thinking about joining one mostly for access to dark site but also for the community outreach.

 

Those who are club members, what do you talk about at club meetings? Sorry, maybe a dumb question. I like the idea of being outside observing with a group much more than sitting indoors in a meeting but these are probably necessary.

Like Mike said, our meetings start with a talk about an astronomy topic.  Sometimes a member, sometimes a professor or professional in the field.  The rest of the meeting is used to give updates on the club, any issues, upcoming events, etc.  Generally they are worth the time.


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Posted 16 March 2025 - 11:41 AM

How many clubs do you all belong to?

 

How far do you drive for your club?

 

not sure how to phrase this without sounding selfish: but I'm not used to being a part of a club without somehow contributing / being useful. Does anyone just join for "selfish" reasons? like just to have fun, meet other people that you can learn from, have access to dark sites, etc? like not to be a deadbeat or anything, but not sure how I'd feel about putting massive effort into growing the club at this point in my life (maybe in the future). or do you all join clubs with intentions to do outreach, etc?

 

tyty

 

I'm a dues paying member. and quite active in my main club, the Riverside Astronomical Society in Riverside, California. It meets monthly about 40 minutes away from my home. (In Southern California, distances are measured in minutes.)  The club's dark site is about 80 minutes away in the desert. I have an observatory there, and a flat concrete pad there assigned to me (both of which I pay an annual fee for).

 

I am a life-time honorary member of another local club (40 minutes away). Honorary means I do not pay membership dues for it. And I have full rights as other members do.  They honored me because I am the speaker they call on when their regularly scheduled speaker gets sick. I have full rights in the club. And there is a member who will buy me dinner any time I choose to show up for any pre-meeting dinner. (And if I am the guest speaker, I take advantage of that. Otherwise I pay for my own meal.)

 

I am also on the mailing list for another very large club because I do their "What's Up" presentation a couple of times a year. 

 

Finally, I am an active part of The Astro Imaging Channel, which meets every Sunday night and puts on a YouTube show for Imagers. 

 

In addition, as a guest speaker, I have been to lots of meetings of other clubs, etc. 

 

There are certainly people who join for what you are calling "selfish" reasons. We have one of the nicest dark sky areas you can imagine. Many people come to the monthly star parties, set up, eat at the free star-be-cue on Saturday night (without bringing a pot-luck contribution!), skip dropping a ten or twenty into the kitty on the shelf in the kitchen, observe all night, and are gone the next morning. There are some who come to the meetings, watch the speakers, eat the goodies at halftime, ask a few questions, and go home (not even buying any tickets to the door prizes!). They are welcome at the star parties and meetings. 

 

It is funny, while we are cleaning up after a star party, and there are people just standing around talking, and don't realize that two or three people are emptying the waste baskets, sweeping the floor, doing the dishes, etc. I do not know how they can stand there without lending a hand. There are people who walk by the dozen or so of us wielding rakes, pitchforks,  and such while we load weeds into the truck to go off to the dump. I mean, lend a hand!!!!!  Even if you have physical limitations, you can be the photographer, or write the article for the newsletter, or go buy the pizza (club pays for it)  and coordinate the whole project, telling people where to dump the weeds! Even if you are under doctor's orders not to exert yourself, you can be part of it.  

 

I have been informed that we are out of toilet paper in one of the bathrooms. I ask----"did you look under the sink?" And they look at me like----"was that their job?"

 

Most people do participate to some extent or another when they realize something is happening, though. 

 

I am an over-volunteer person. The problem with everybody knowing that I can and will take care of whatever is that sometimes people don't turn to their own resources. I have adopted a policy of NOT participating in preparation for the star-be-cue on Saturday evening of star parties. Not that I cannot help, or that I do not know what to do. (In fact I watch the whole process and may make suggestions or even step in when things are not getting done.) I really want other people to do it all on their own motivation. I just refuse to help (unless it really is not getting done----something that happens very rarely). My lack of participation at that time is based on the idea that there are dozens of other people present who can cook hamburgers, set out the salads, and fill the ice chest with soda pop. Here is a chance for me to stay out of it and let others do the work. 

 

When somebody asks me to head up a project or handle something, I always try to help them recruit somebody else. That is the way we get new leaders. (But I often wind up behind the scenes with whomever does take up the task.) 

 

Oh well.....so much about me. 

 

My feeling is that if you are the person who likes to volunteer, do so. If you are not, don't. Yes, you are riding along for free----something I like to think is not in the spirit of the club. But if you do refrain from participation beyond what you want, you will have other kindred spirits in the club also refraining as you do. 

 

My last points are about your "but not sure how I'd feel about putting massive effort into growing the club at this point in my life (maybe in the future). or do you all join clubs with intentions to do outreach, etc?" 

 

Yes, every club has a ton of people who do not do outreach. Or pretty much anything, come to think about it. 

 

And there is a big difference between "taking a broom to the clubhouse at the observing site" and "putting a massive effort into growing the club."

 

I am not of the opinion that "growing the club" is a worthy purpose for a club. Providing a good atmosphere, camaraderie, and perhaps adventures and facilities is certainly something we should strive for. And if all that happens, you may well get growth. But working for growth should not be a main purpose (in my mind). 

 

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Posted 16 March 2025 - 10:10 PM

When I joined my first club I was very active in the clubs activities, from outreach to eventually becoming president. We had a very strong and dedicated group of observers. But then I became less interested in outreach (plus I moved further away from my first club, meetings became difficult to get to) and joined another club that has a fantastic observing site. While I don't go to meetings and such I do help out at the site where I can. Usually cutting grass and doing small maintenance. 


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Posted 19 April 2025 - 12:24 AM

I think it's ok to join a club even if you don't have a lot of extra time to put back into the club.

I'm a member of a small group that meets at a local science museum. We have a planetarium and a 20" reflector on site, so there's always plenty to do, or volunteer for, if you want to. But, we also have members who don't do much, whether it's because of a job,  other commitments, or plain just don't have the time or physical ability. We have a lot of retired members too.

So enjoy the benefits, and im sure when you got some extra time you'll want to to something back.

 

Best wishes...


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Posted 19 April 2025 - 06:44 AM

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Posted 21 April 2025 - 12:41 PM

I love my Astronomy Club (Deerlick Astronomy Village). It has a gated field, dark skies, power, bathrooms, a nice community, and no meetings.  Perfect.  


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Posted 21 April 2025 - 04:14 PM

I love my Astronomy Club (Deerlick Astronomy Village). It has a gated field, dark skies, power, bathrooms, a nice community, and no meetings.  Perfect.  

I like the "no meetings" part...

 

The club that I used to be a board member of, would have a Steering committee meeting to set the agenda for the board meeting before the General meeting.

 

Sounds a lot like a Larry, Moe, and Curly production doesnt it...


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