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#1 Tom Duncan

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Posted 20 April 2025 - 11:28 AM

Looking to identify what type of scope this is. My guess is a Classic Cassegrain but I’m looking for input. It looks like it might have come out of government surplus, perhaps from a rocket tracker or some such, primarily because clearly it’s 42lb weight was not a build/use factor.

 

The primary mirror is 10” diameter, the distance between the mirrors is roughly about 26/27” (hard to measure accurately), the tube is 39.25” long, 12” OD, wall thickness is ¼”, non-magnetic but doesn’t look like aluminum to me in the areas where paint has been scraped away. The orange paint looks to be over white, but the white could be primer.

 

I don’t know how to translate the mirror distance to a focal length, is it different from taking the same info for a Newtonian?

 

Very sophisticated and nicely executed (except for the hose clamp that apparently keeps the assembly from sliding out down the tube) front cell/spider/secondary holder arrangement, looks like focus was achieved by sliding the secondary stock up and down manually.

 

In addition to collimation screw pairs there are threaded holes on the back of the rear cell for attaching something around the center hole, perhaps a camera or sensor of some sort?

 

The tube has a large hole on the side near the secondary suggesting the tube started out as a Newtonian. The front and rear cells where clearly made for this tube as the fitment is excellent. There are four ¼” un-threaded holes near the base of the tube, most likely how it was held in a cradle or some such.

 

Any thoughts welcome.

 

Tom Duncan

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#2 drspiv

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Posted 20 April 2025 - 11:44 AM

Looks like a DK or RC, I think I can see curvature on the (reflected) secondary mirror in one of your pictures. Given the proportions this is probably a very long focal length telescope.

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Posted 20 April 2025 - 12:24 PM

Looks like an ATM project to me. As noted the hole in the side looks like it may have been for newtonian.  There have been several commercial cass/newt telescopes. Cave, Optical Craftsman and Parks come to mind.  The secondary in a cassegrain has a multiplication factor.  An F4 primary may have a times four to be an F16 or a times 5 for an F20 system. So the spacing does not directly translate into the focal length.  Typical commercial SCT's have an F2 primary and a times five secondary for an F10 system. The sliding assembly for the secondary may be to set the primary to secondary spacing. Which can be rather critical. 



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Posted 20 April 2025 - 04:43 PM

That's a classical cat/newt combo popular from the 60s & 70s.  The secondary can be swapped out between a flat and a hyperboloidal design hence the hole up near the front end for a side focuser.  Several companies offered variations from Takahashi, Parks, Tinsley, etc.  

The OTA was supported with a caged ring with the old style bolt on rectangular block seen on clock drive models.   When SCTs were introduced the popularity waned as they were quite cumbersome to setup and take down.  


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Posted 20 April 2025 - 05:51 PM

It’s an ATM effort, Tom.

So… my guess is someone was assembling this - an old OTA from a 1970s dual scope, installed cassegrain mirrors and the sliding focuser arrangement was borrowed from something else.

And never quite finished it.

Edited by luxo II, 20 April 2025 - 07:00 PM.


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Posted 20 April 2025 - 06:40 PM

Just from the looks of it, it looks like who ever made this was a machinist. Hence, the weight. And I agree that sadly, it was never finished.



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Posted 21 April 2025 - 04:20 AM

TCN 212 prototype, ok 282 size

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Posted 21 April 2025 - 10:02 AM

That's a classical cat/newt combo popular from the 60s & 70s.  The secondary can be swapped out between a flat and a hyperboloidal design hence the hole up near the front end for a side focuser.  Several companies offered variations from Takahashi, Parks, Tinsley, etc.  

The OTA was supported with a caged ring with the old style bolt on rectangular block seen on clock drive models.   When SCTs were introduced the popularity waned as they were quite cumbersome to setup and take down.  

Hey Paul, thanks for the input. I have never heard of a "cat/newt"! A little searching came up with this CN posting from 2022:

 

https://www.cloudyni...ain-telescopes/

 

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Posted 21 April 2025 - 10:18 AM

TCN 212 prototype, ok 282 size

That would be Takahashi's version of the design, an (as usual) excellent video on it by Ed Ting here:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=db7py1B97Yc

 

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Posted 21 April 2025 - 10:47 AM

 At  one time the secondary assembly had a motor that moved the secondary to focus the system. This was done so equipment could be rigidly mounted to back with no flexing. The secondary spider looks similar to what Tinsley was using.  It needs at least  a primary baffle tube or the image will be flooded with sky light and the contrast very low.

  If it is Dall Kirkham  to would not have been used as Newtonian since the primary would be an ellipse,  so under corrected and produce an image with a large amount of spherical aberration.

 

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