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What is this crud in my flats?

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#1 Phanatic

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Posted 22 April 2025 - 07:55 PM

Camera's a 2600MC Pro, and I started getting a whole bunch of crud in my image path.  Here's what it looks like on the 5" refractor:

 

noise_0001_130mm no filter small.jpg

 

At first I thought it was dew but it's in exactly the same position on different nights.  It's not on my filters, because it's still there without any filter.  It's not on the objective or the OTA because I swapped the camera over to an entirely different scope and it's still in the same place:

 

noise_0002_61mm no filter small.jpg

 

If I take flats with just the camera sitting there by itself, no scope, you can still see a blurry pattern of spots that look to be exactly the same debris except extremely defocused.  And I cleaned the cover of the image sensor itself and didn't have any impact at all. 

I've seen that a batch of 2600s had oil leaks, but in the examples I've seen that doesn't look like this, and try as I might I don't see any of this stuff on the sensor under direct examination. (Although it does look like the oil leak on the shutter of my Nikon D600 like a decade ago.)

I guess this is a pretty dumb question because I think I've eliminated everything else it could be and it's got to be debris behind the cover of the camera sensor itself, but am I missing anything else?   


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Posted 22 April 2025 - 08:22 PM

Given the F/ of the scope(s) it should be easy to calculate the distance from the sensor to the crud.  It is probably on the camera window -- maybe on the inside.

 

There is also calculator tool here for dust spots... but it is easy to do on the back of an envelope too...

 

https://astronomy.to...tion_calculator


Edited by ngc7319_20, 22 April 2025 - 08:24 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2025 - 09:12 PM

Could be on the flattener if you have one. Depending on the preview the flat may be stretched to show details. Just use it and evaluate results.

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Posted 22 April 2025 - 10:16 PM

That is almost certainly stuff on the sensor window in front of the 2600 sensor.


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Posted 23 April 2025 - 02:21 AM

It's not on the objective or the OTA because I swapped the camera over to an entirely different scope and it's still in the same place:

was anything else included when you did the swap or was it JUST the camera ?



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Posted 23 April 2025 - 03:28 AM

Looks like dust on the sensor cover to me. And tons of it. You say you cleaned it? Can you describe the process please?

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Posted 23 April 2025 - 05:42 AM

That looks really bad and you can probably take your stuff apart and get it a lot better, it’s probably on the actual sensor window.

But as bad as it looks, flats will take care of all of it and you won’t see a bit leftover. So certainly fight the good fight against dust, but it isn’t the end of the world when you inevitably lose.


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Posted 23 April 2025 - 01:48 PM

was anything else included when you did the swap or was it JUST the camera ?

Just the camera.  In the flats above there is no flattener, filter, or anything else, the only thing the light goes through is the telescope lens followed by the camera.  

 

Looks like dust on the sensor cover to me. And tons of it. You say you cleaned it? Can you describe the process please?

Air bulb followed by Lenspen FilterKlear.  Whatever this is isn't on the sensor cover.  Not the front side, anyway. 
 



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Posted 23 April 2025 - 04:14 PM

What is the F/ of the scope in the first image above?  Was there any reducer -- which reducer?


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Posted 23 April 2025 - 04:14 PM

Do your flats work?  If they do, I wouldn't do anything.




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