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#1 Vision

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Posted 24 April 2025 - 09:42 AM

EDIT: Ugh, I just pulled the rip cord and ordered the Nitecrawler. Nothing else on the market comes close those features. The couch it is!!

 

 

I've just spent >$10k on  a ASI6200mm and filters/wheel etc.. but still need a focuser for my Stellarvue SVT 102 w/Feathertouch focuser. I was looking at the Nitecrawler but My wife would have me sleep on the couch if I spent that much more on "looking at stars". LOL 

 

I can't seem to find an alternative high resolution auto focuser that I can control completely from TheSkyX. Would love some help on this one!

 

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Posted 24 April 2025 - 10:26 AM

Look into ZWO EAF, if tariffs haven't hit yet. Maybe look in Classifieds.

 

The EAF works great on my WO FTL91.


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 11:39 AM

Maybe the QHY Q-focuser in High Precision version? https://www.qhyccd.com/q-focuser/


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 02:33 PM

I've had a lot of success using the cheap Gemini focusers. Backlash compensation makes it really precise, it's compatible with ZWO mounting hardware for the most part, it runs off the My Focuser Pro 2 drivers, and there is even a guy who makes clutches for the ZWO style E-focusers so that they can be racked in and out without disassembly. But I've also never used a "premium" focuser before, so my point of reference is probably way lower than for most people.

If you are wanting to use the fine focuser on the feather touch, then I think that the Q-focuser High Precision version is a good option. It's designed to work only on the fine focus knob, has a clutch, is supposed to have almost no backlash. I think the only down side to it is that it's payload capacity is slightly lower than for other focusers, and that it can't be used reliably on coarse focusers.


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 02:43 PM

I have the SVX 102 with the Nitecrawler.  Works great!
 

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Posted 24 April 2025 - 02:50 PM

I have the SVX 102 with the Nitecrawler.  Works great!
 

Awesome! I just ordered the Nitecrawler. Really excited for all of those features. 


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 02:58 PM

I just purchased a Lightcrawler to complement my ASI2600 MC Duo, being delivered tomorrow.  


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 05:26 PM

Awesome! I just ordered the Nitecrawler. Really excited for all of those features. 

I thought the goal was to find something other than the Nitecrawler lol.gif

 

Honestly though, I just got a scope with a Nitecrawler and I'm not sure I can ever go back to another focuser. There is a reason it's expensive, it just works. Congrats on the upgrade!


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Posted 24 April 2025 - 05:30 PM

I thought the goal was to find something other than the Nitecrawler lol.gif

 

Honestly though, I just got a scope with a Nitecrawler and I'm not sure I can ever go back to another focuser. There is a reason it's expensive, it just works. Congrats on the upgrade!

Haha. It was but the more digging I did the more I thought I'd rather use the ~$500 I would spend on a lesser product toward a "forever" focuser. Honestly the cost was the only reason I was looking for an alternative 



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Posted 24 April 2025 - 05:33 PM

Haha. It was but the more digging I did the more I thought I'd rather use the ~$500 I would spend on a lesser product toward a "forever" focuser. Honestly the cost was the only reason I was looking for an alternative 

Haha I totally get that. I've made a lot of "forever" purchases lately.... You will love it though!



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Posted 25 April 2025 - 07:24 AM

Sorry I don't want to start a fire, but what is it that is worth *so much* for the nitecrawler rather than attaching a ZWO EAF to the stock focuser? Being an SV scope I take it for granted the focuser by itself is already good, so it is down to the focuser motor really. But with backlash compensation the EAF works really well; in my Esprit150 I use NINA and get an r=1 in mist of mt focuset runs. So seriously, it's not me wanting yo start a battle, I just want to understand what would justify the really high extra price...

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Posted 25 April 2025 - 08:18 AM

Sorry I don't want to start a fire, but what is it that is worth *so much* for the nitecrawler rather than attaching a ZWO EAF to the stock focuser? Being an SV scope I take it for granted the focuser by itself is already good, so it is down to the focuser motor really. But with backlash compensation the EAF works really well; in my Esprit150 I use NINA and get an r=1 in mist of mt focuset runs. So seriously, it's not me wanting yo start a battle, I just want to understand what would justify the really high extra price...



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Posted 25 April 2025 - 08:18 AM

Sorry I don't want to start a fire, but what is it that is worth *so much* for the nitecrawler rather than attaching a ZWO EAF to the stock focuser? Being an SV scope I take it for granted the focuser by itself is already good, so it is down to the focuser motor really. But with backlash compensation the EAF works really well; in my Esprit150 I use NINA and get an r=1 in mist of mt focuset runs. So seriously, it's not me wanting yo start a battle, I just want to understand what would justify the really high extra price...



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Posted 25 April 2025 - 08:24 AM

 

Sorry I don't want to start a fire, but what is it that is worth *so much* for the nitecrawler rather than attaching a ZWO EAF to the stock focuser? Being an SV scope I take it for granted the focuser by itself is already good, so it is down to the focuser motor really. But with backlash compensation the EAF works really well; in my Esprit150 I use NINA and get an r=1 in mist of mt focuset runs. So seriously, it's not me wanting yo start a battle, I just want to understand what would justify the really high extra price...

 

While the designation of "worth" can be subjective and depend on specific user needs and priorities, the Moonlite Nitecrawler series of focusers stands out due to a combination of advanced features and robust design, making it a top contender in the high-end telescope focuser market. Here's a breakdown of what makes it exceptional:

 

Key Features and Benefits:

 

* High Load Capacity and Stability: The Nitecrawler has a substantial instrument load capacity of up to 25 lbs. This is crucial for supporting heavy imaging equipment, ensuring stability and minimizing flexure, which can negatively impact image quality. It does this through a design incorporating three stainless steel linear rails and large ½" high-capacity bearings under significant preload pressure.
* Extreme Precision and Repeatability: Utilizing "fly by wire" control technology and dual-axis, no-backlash lead screws, the Nitecrawler offers focusing accuracy and repeatability down to 0.26 microns per step. This level of precision is vital for achieving critical focus, especially in astrophotography. The rotating drawtube also offers a resolution of 0.001 degrees.
* Integrated Electronic Control and Rotation:  Fully integrated electronic control for both focusing and rotation. This eliminates the need for separate rotators and controllers, simplifying setup and reducing potential points of failure. 
* Position Memory and Holding Power: Once focused, the Nitecrawler can hold its position even when the power is turned off. It also remembers its position upon power-up, eliminating the need to re-home the focuser at the beginning of each session.
* CNC-Like Positioning Technology: The Nitecrawler implements positioning technology similar to that found in modern CNC machinery. This ensures reliable and consistent performance over time.
* Versatile Control Options: It typically offers multiple control options, including ASCOM, non-ASCOM, and SkyX compatibility, allowing seamless integration with popular astronomy software. It also often includes manual control via knobs with adjustable jog rates.
* Auxiliary Ports and Expandability: Many Nitecrawler models feature auxiliary motor ports that can be used to control optional accessories like mini worm secondary focusers, automated dust covers, or focal reducer/flattener positioning systems, further enhancing automation capabilities.
* Robust and Durable Construction: Moonlite is known for it's high-quality materials and construction, longevity and reliable performance.

 

While it comes with a higher price tag, its performance and features often justify the investment for serious astrophotographers and remote observatory setups demanding the highest levels of accuracy and automation.


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Posted 25 April 2025 - 04:15 PM

I have had Moonlite focusers on my scopes for nearly 20 years now and they are indeed made to last forever.

 

The nightcrawler really is impressive though, I bet you'll really like it.  It is expensive, but probably worth it if your scope was remote and reliability is worth a premium.

 

I had a 2.5" Moonlite on my refractor already when I started imaging. Rather than upgrade it to Moonlite's electronic module, I just got a Pegasus focuser for it, and then a Pegasus rotator.  All in this is probably about $1k less than the nightcrawler.  So you paid more than the alternative, but you do get a lot more with a single integrated system.

 

You'll enjoy it though.  I really like fully automated focusing and rotation.  But there are consequences I gotta warn you about.  Automated rotation means you will use that rotation, which means you are going to take a lot of flats.  Fortunately, there are automatic flat panels available to take care of that little chore and get perfect calibration frames every single time.  Automated flat panels are definitely not required, it is pure luxury.  But after spending all this money on automation, you're going to want to finish the job.

 

Ask me how I know....


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Posted 25 April 2025 - 06:02 PM

I have had Moonlite focusers on my scopes for nearly 20 years now and they are indeed made to last forever.

 

The nightcrawler really is impressive though, I bet you'll really like it.  It is expensive, but probably worth it if your scope was remote and reliability is worth a premium.

 

I had a 2.5" Moonlite on my refractor already when I started imaging. Rather than upgrade it to Moonlite's electronic module, I just got a Pegasus focuser for it, and then a Pegasus rotator.  All in this is probably about $1k less than the nightcrawler.  So you paid more than the alternative, but you do get a lot more with a single integrated system.

 

You'll enjoy it though.  I really like fully automated focusing and rotation.  But there are consequences I gotta warn you about.  Automated rotation means you will use that rotation, which means you are going to take a lot of flats.  Fortunately, there are automatic flat panels available to take care of that little chore and get perfect calibration frames every single time.  Automated flat panels are definitely not required, it is pure luxury.  But after spending all this money on automation, you're going to want to finish the job.

 

Ask me how I know....

I didn't even think of that! Thank you! I will definitely be using rotation. It was actually a pretty big incentive to go this route (as well as the mini worm focuser add-on for my guide camera). I just ordered an automated flat panel LED:) Candidly I should have already owned one!

 

Thx again




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