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Is it really difficult to collimate a classical cassegrain scope?

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#51 quilty

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Posted 09 May 2025 - 02:25 AM

Even thought the image scale in the 80mm APO refractor was smaller, the fine details in the bands along with a white spot in the Jupiter's SEB that was leading the GRS by about a third of the way around the planet were clearly visible.  Those were muddled in the 6" CC.  I think that the large Central Obstruction in the newly redesigned 6" Classical Cassegrain, which is up to 42% now, reduces contrast to the point that the scope really suffers when looking at the planets at higher magnifications, which was the primary reason I purchased it in the first place.  I have a 6" f/6 Newtonian that not only shows star clusters better, but does fairly well on the planets.  I do agree that the Newtonian is more difficult to use from an ergonomica standpoint.  I like sitting behind the scope much better, which was one of the attractions of the Classical Cassegrain.  I also had a 150mm Mak right about that time, a Skymax 150, and that one was much sharper than the 6" CC and held collimation much better.


I can second that. Contrast at Jupe really suffers from the large CO.
Don't get me wrong though. The Cc6 is a great little scope providing a lot of fun. It just weighs 5.5 kg (the very same as the 2080)
and it used to outperform at the latest star parties attended by Jupe and Sat an 8" Newt as well as the Mew 210 at both planets for detail.
But not because it's better. If only the two other scopes were properly seen to concerning thermal control and collimation and mount...Moon, too. People preferred the view though my CC6 to other scopes except a double 4.5 inch apo frac which displays an insane contrast with pitch black shadows on the moon. But this double frac plays certainly another league pricewise. (I just noticed how long every single person was sitting behind my scope because they were discovering things and not just spotting : oh yes, Jupe, fine)
The Skymax 6 does better at any regard (5.5 kg, too) I think a C6 might be level to the CC6 visually but it weighs less. For imaging I think the CC6 is still the best of them

Low weight and low size is crying for mirror focussing, somehow. Skymax or CC6. A mounted CC6 with its backfocus extensions is another beast than the Skymax6

Edited by quilty, 09 May 2025 - 02:59 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2025 - 02:28 AM

OMC 140 may be a good choice 



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Posted 09 May 2025 - 02:54 AM

no way. Expensive and flawed design

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Posted 09 May 2025 - 04:41 AM

I got a cc8 that was badly out of collimation 

It took  me 2-3 hrs

 

It works well now

 

BTW compared to collimation of a jones bird

Its a piece of cake 

 

My tasco8v took about  12-15 hrs spread over a week


Edited by highfnum, 09 May 2025 - 04:48 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2025 - 11:09 AM

no way. Expensive and flawed design

I just realized that I misread the price of OMC 140 Lol. I guess my choice have to be either C5 or CC6-- Ahhh maybe a Skymax6-or 127, too. That's very hard for me in many ways.

 

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Edited by Staradventure21, 09 May 2025 - 11:19 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2025 - 07:46 PM

That is an exciting part of this hobby. I don`t think you can wrong with any of the scopes you mentioned. Now the sky is waiting for you. Enjoy whatever scope you choose....

 

Clear Skies,

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Posted 10 May 2025 - 02:16 AM

That is an exciting part of this hobby. I don`t think you can wrong with any of the scopes you mentioned. Now the sky is waiting for you. Enjoy whatever scope you choose....

 

Clear Skies,

Magnus

Hopefully so. The sky's waiting for me!

 

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Posted 10 May 2025 - 11:05 AM

As said above, with a limited budget I'd go second hand.
As a beginner you can't really know what scopes you'll end up with, so a good price might be the better advise than all semi logical thinkabouts.

Another example: On such a fair I got a sturdy EQ5 (GP?) mount for 35€ and a stable tripod for 10 on a flea market. In combination they're able to take a C9.
At scopes I did right at my very first beginning: A Bresser Mak5 (which is now obsolete because the Skymax is better) But for a long time it was my best scope, I still say second to none for that price/size

Right now I'm leaving for the ATT. Let's see what's coming up


There was a complete Meade 8" ACF forked with two axis control for 450€. Was about to get one but I have an 8 and 9 already and half an 11 (say 5.5)
As a beginner I'd say the best and easiest choice. Just put it onto any desk let it track and observe sitting at the table. No more comfort possible.
It was hard to let go.

Edited by quilty, 11 May 2025 - 02:37 AM.



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