Jump to content

  •  

CNers have asked about a donation box for Cloudy Nights over the years, so here you go. Donation is not required by any means, so please enjoy your stay.

Photo

Thinking I should have gotten a 10" Dob instead of an 8" Dob

Beginner Visual Reflector Dob
  • Please log in to reply
50 replies to this topic

#26 Tony Flanders

Tony Flanders

    ISS

  • *****
  • Posts: 24,764
  • Joined: 18 May 2006
  • Loc: New Lebanon, NY and Cambridge, MA, USA

Posted 28 May 2025 - 04:39 AM

I think you should be a little more ambitious and consider moving to a 16" or maybe even a 20" in a couple of years. The wow factor going from 8" to 20" is pretty give, but having looked through my fair share of 12" scopes, I wouldn't call the difference significant enough to be worth the upgrade unless you're sure you'll never go even larger.

I find the difference between my 7-inch Dob and my 12.5-inch Dob to be truly dramatic. The 7-inch scope shows beautiful resolution on the dozen brightest globular clusters, but the overwhelming majority of all globulars are just fuzzy haze. The 12.5-inch resolves some stars in almost all the Messier globulars, and many NGC globulars as well. I really have to struggle to see any hint of spiral structure in M51 through the 7-inch; it's vastly more obvious in the 12.5. And so on.

 

Obviously a 20-inch is a different experience entirely. But I consider the upgrade from 8 to 12 inches to be very worthwhile indeed. Actually, I would keep both scopes; I still use my 7-inch quite frequently despite owning the 12.5, because the smaller scope is much easier to transport and set up, and has a much wider true field of view.


  • Jon Isaacs, dnrmilspec, Neanderthal and 4 others like this

#27 snakehelah

snakehelah

    Vostok 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 158
  • Joined: 24 Mar 2025

Posted 28 May 2025 - 10:07 AM

I got into visual astronomy via an 8" dob and honestly, it's been pretty awesome. Don't get me wrong, I do often think about how much better the views could be with more aperture, but for the most part it's enough for me at the moment. The only real issue is light pollution, which kind of makes galaxy viewing non existent except for stuff like m81/m82. Nonetheless, I am pretty happy with visibility from my backyard. Yes, It's around bortle 5ish maybe more or maybe less at any given time, but I can still see a lot right from the comfort of my home, any evening I want unrestricted from having to travel somewhere and plan for it.

My plan is likely to go for double aperture, meaning 16". However, I am not sure what I will decide in the end. I've seen the Explore scientific 16" ultra light as something that could be a pretty good option, the others seem too bulky. 

I've also considered 12" cause they are cheaper, but ultimately, if I am making the jump from 8" to something else, I want to be as big of a leap as possible. 

The other question is that of GO TO. For example, I check the used market and there's not many scopes bigger than 8" there.

However, recently I noticed a used Skywatcher Skyliner 350/1600 Flextube Synscan Goto. 2" less than my target. The seller wants 2,5k EU for it, I'm thinking maybe this could be worth lowballing to 2k, but I am not sure how much more worth a GO TO system would be. I am not that shy of manual aiming, but it does eat up your time more. I could instead go for more aperture instead of the GO TO functionality.

Anyone has any experience in the GO TO vs no GO TO dob debate? laugh.gif


Edited by snakehelah, 28 May 2025 - 10:18 AM.


#28 sky_lounge

sky_lounge

    Lift Off

  • -----
  • topic starter
  • Posts: 5
  • Joined: 20 May 2025

Posted 28 May 2025 - 11:25 AM

However, recently I noticed a used Skywatcher Skyliner 350/1600 Flextube Synscan Goto. 2" less than my target. The seller wants 2,5k EU for it, I'm thinking maybe this could be worth lowballing to 2k, but I am not sure how much more worth a GO TO system would be. I am not that shy of manual aiming, but it does eat up your time more. I could instead go for more aperture instead of the GO TO functionality.

Anyone has any experience in the GO TO vs no GO TO dob debate? laugh.gif

 

Not experienced on go-to or no; but as a solo user I don't want GOTO because the "find" is at least half the fun for me.

 

However, as I've read elsewhere, when doing 'outreach' with friends/family they say GOTO makes it a lot more enjoyable and less hassle for them.  That seems to me to be a material difference if you intend to share a lot with other casuals.


Edited by sky_lounge, 28 May 2025 - 11:28 AM.

  • astro.nanuuuuuu and snakehelah like this

#29 davidgmd

davidgmd

    Skylab

  • *****
  • Posts: 4,212
  • Joined: 24 Dec 2020
  • Loc: Maryland

Posted 29 May 2025 - 12:28 PM

So far had several observing sessions with my new 8" Dob.

 

Since conditions are good for DSO's right now, primarily been hunting for them.  I really enjoy the way they look through the scope.  Globular clusters in particular have almost a magical/occult aura to them.

 

I travel about 1.5 hours to a Bortle 4ish sky (21.34 mag/arcsec2) for this.

 

Just reflecting that, given the time investment involved, it probably would have been better to get the 10" Dob to see the DSO's just a little bit more clearly. (Although understanding 2" more aperture would not be game-changing).  I will say DSO's aren't necessary the only thing I'm interested in, but they interesting targets while the moon is not out.

 

Since I'm only interested in visual astro right now, I suppose my upgrade path would be a 12" Dob in a couple years or or after doing as much as I can with the 8"; will just have to see if that could even fit that in my CX-5. 

 

I also assume selling the 8 for a 10 is probably not worth the hassle.

 

I guess a benefit right now too is learning the maintenance and care aspects on the 8".  Already made one mistake taking it out on a night that had very high moisture (rel humidity: 86% , temp: 48 F, dewpt: 44 F), and got just about all the optics coated in dew, so I won't be doing that again.

 

That said I'm very much enjoying the visual astronomy part; just went out last night and got a bunch of more messier objects checked off on my list.

 

 

I started (re-started, really — long story) a few months ago with a 10” solid-tube Dob and wonder whether I should have gotten an 8” instead.  The 10” is a lot of poorly distributed weight to manage!

  
You two don’t happen to live within driving distance of each other, do you? smile.gif​ 



#30 astro.nanuuuuuu

astro.nanuuuuuu

    Lift Off

  • *****
  • Posts: 22
  • Joined: 22 Jan 2023
  • Loc: South Florida

Posted 29 May 2025 - 12:40 PM

This would be pretty cool.

 

  
You two don’t happen to live within driving distance of each other, do you? smile.gif​ 



#31 HenkSB

HenkSB

    Ranger 4

  • -----
  • Posts: 355
  • Joined: 22 Jan 2018
  • Loc: Santa Barbara

Posted 29 May 2025 - 01:26 PM

Not experienced on go-to or no; but as a solo user I don't want GOTO because the "find" is at least half the fun for me.

 

However, as I've read elsewhere, when doing 'outreach' with friends/family they say GOTO makes it a lot more enjoyable and less hassle for them.  That seems to me to be a material difference if you intend to share a lot with other casuals.

Goto is not just about finding the target but also about tracking.  I have done outreach with a manual Dob and having to move the OTA each time after a person viewed, sometimes losing it and people don't see a thing, is a PITA and the number one reason for having goto or an EQ platform.


  • Patrick, vtornado and Nerd1 like this

#32 truckerfromaustin

truckerfromaustin

    Apollo

  • *****
  • Posts: 1,308
  • Joined: 08 Apr 2022
  • Loc: Wherever I park my truck for the night.

Posted 29 May 2025 - 05:59 PM

8" to a 10"? No
8" to a 12"? Yes



I agree with Bill on this point. The difference between an 8 inch and 10 inch is not enough to justify the upgrade. I have a fantastic 8 inch dob that I will keep until I can't move it anymore. Aperture Fever is a common issue with beginner and intermediate astronomers. I'm speaking from experience. I thought about getting an 11-12 inch dob, but decided to step up to a 15 inch. My advice is to enjoy the 8 inch for a few years before you go hog wild on aperture.

Clear Skies
  • BillShort and Little Zhang like this

#33 Jay_Reynolds_Freeman

Jay_Reynolds_Freeman

    Viking 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 739
  • Joined: 10 May 2019

Posted 29 May 2025 - 08:09 PM

If the original poster can easily transport and set up the 8-inch Dobson, then I think that telescope should be a long-term keeper: There is an equipment niche for what I would call the "largest conveniently portable telescope", which for many people is filled by an 8-inch Dobson. That is, when and if the original poster eventually upgrades to a substantially larger telescope -- say, twelve inches or perhaps even a whole lot larger -- there will be occasions when available time, site access, consideration of what is the right equipment for outreach, and so on, make a smaller, more easily transported and more easily set up telescope desirable, and the 8-inch Dobson may well be just right.

 

Whether an 8-inch Dobson in fact is anyone's largest conveniently portable telescope likely depends in great part on whether the tube fits easily into the user's vehicle.

 

 

Clear sky ...


  • Dave Mitsky, Jon Isaacs, Kuba_81 and 1 other like this

#34 rdjamieson

rdjamieson

    Surveyor 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 1,540
  • Joined: 09 Jun 2004
  • Loc: Wisconsin Northwoods - Bortle 2

Posted 29 May 2025 - 10:19 PM

Even the most ardent religious zealot lacks the commitment to the cause required of a large scope owner.  I had a 14" SCT for years.  I rolled it out on a Scopebuggy, and it basically aligned itself with a flip of a switch, yet it still was a pain to haul around.  And still I dreamed of a 20" Obsession--I even bought Dave Kriege's DIY book and deluded myself into believing I would grind my own mirror.  Then I recovered my sanity, and thought it through.  Even at f/4, a 20+ inch Dob will have you on a ladder, in the dark, and don't even think about holding on to the scope for support.  Nothing but love for the lunatics who can pull it off, but you need to have your head examined to be a light bucket warrior past middle age (Don Isaacs, check your voicemail). 

 

Keep that sweet little 8" Dob--you are up and running in a couple minutes, it will take you years to explore all that you can see through it, and your back and wallet will thank you later!

 

Clear skies!  


Edited by rdjamieson, 29 May 2025 - 10:20 PM.

  • vtornado likes this

#35 Jon Isaacs

Jon Isaacs

    ISS

  • *****
  • Posts: 120,876
  • Joined: 16 Jun 2004
  • Loc: San Diego and Boulevard, CA

Posted 01 June 2025 - 07:26 AM

Goto is not just about finding the target but also about tracking.  I have done outreach with a manual Dob and having to move the OTA each time after a person viewed, sometimes losing it and people don't see a thing, is a PITA and the number one reason for having goto or an EQ platform.

 

I do outreach with manual Dobs.  One key to outreach is choosing objects that are easily seen by someone who have little or no experience with a telescope.  That means objects that I know well and can find very quickly, probably faster than GOTO.  

 

When the lines are long, the drift time across the field of view provides a natural timer. 

 

Jon


  • therealdmt likes this

#36 Jon Isaacs

Jon Isaacs

    ISS

  • *****
  • Posts: 120,876
  • Joined: 16 Jun 2004
  • Loc: San Diego and Boulevard, CA

Posted 01 June 2025 - 07:49 AM

Even the most ardent religious zealot lacks the commitment to the cause required of a large scope owner.  I had a 14" SCT for years.  I rolled it out on a Scopebuggy, and it basically aligned itself with a flip of a switch, yet it still was a pain to haul around.  And still I dreamed of a 20" Obsession--I even bought Dave Kriege's DIY book and deluded myself into believing I would grind my own mirror.  Then I recovered my sanity, and thought it through.  Even at f/4, a 20+ inch Dob will have you on a ladder, in the dark, and don't even think about holding on to the scope for support.  Nothing but love for the lunatics who can pull it off, but you need to have your head examined to be a light bucket warrior past middle age (Jon Isaacs, check your voicemail). 

 

Keep that sweet little 8" Dob--you are up and running in a couple minutes, it will take you years to explore all that you can see through it, and your back and wallet will thank you later!

 

Clear skies!  

 

I spend a lot of time observing, a lot of it is under dark skies and the majority of that is with my 16 inch and 22 inch Dobs.  I have an ideal situation, a second home under the dark skies of the high desert.. I just roll the scopes in and out of the garage.  The ladder I have for the 22 inch is really a rolling staircase, with railings, closely spaced steps, an eyepiece rack, accessory tray etc.  

 

Ladder Starsplitter 2023.jpg
 
But Roy's comments are well taken.  I have had my 10 inch F/5 GSO (Apertura, Zhummel and others) Dob for 22 years.  It has never been my "best scope" or my largest scope but it is a favorite and still gets a lot of use.  It is easy to setup and doesn't take a lot of effort at the end of the evening to put away.  
 
For me, the 10 inch F/5 makes more sense than an 8 inch F/6.  The choice between the two has been the subject of many threads because they are so similar.  The 10 inch is a little more capable but is physically larger and heavier, requires more careful collimation, is less forgiving of eyepieces.  Those are all good reasons to choose the 8 inch F/6.  The 8 inch is a powerful scope that is more user friendly.  
 
For me, I already had a 12.5 inch F/4.06, coma, collimation and eyepiece issues of the 10 inch F/5 were non-issues and the physical size and weight of the 10 inch were not a problem.  
 
But my advice, my experience, whether or not you eventually purchase a significantly larger scope, keep that 8 inch or 10 inch because there will be plenty of nights when you look at the two of them side by side and choose the 8 or 10 inch because you just don't have the energy or time for the larger scope.
 
Jon
 
P.S.: I am not a lunatic, the moon is the one object I rarely observe.  I may be crazy but I am not a lunatic.  :)

Edited by Jon Isaacs, 01 June 2025 - 08:43 AM.

  • rdjamieson, vtornado, dnrmilspec and 1 other like this

#37 Kuba_81

Kuba_81

    Explorer 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 77
  • Joined: 30 Oct 2024
  • Loc: Poland

Posted 01 June 2025 - 12:18 PM

I initially bought a second-hand 8” to give a try to this hobby. After half a year I jumped to 10”. I’ve read dozens of similar threads like this one. I knew I wanted to go bigger, but didn’t know was it 10” or 12”? I watched some used 12” in the market. Fun fact, here in Poland, aperture fever is known as “dwucalica” which means two-inch-o-losis, because you are in a constant need of two more inches of aperture.
Now I got the 10” and its tube is as long as 8’s; it only has a greater caliber. However, it is noticeably heavier than 8”. The 10” is the biggest solid tube telescope I’m able to carry in one piece. The telescopes between 8 to 12” aren’t that heavy, measuring in kilograms, like 33kg max. But if you compare 33kg dumbbell and 33kg telescope, the latter feels heavier because telescopes are bulky and not easy to handle. I appreciate additional light gathering ability of a 10” over an 8”. I’ve noticed that BHZoom Mk4 twisted to 8mm was too dark in 8 incher, but it is fine in 10”.  But if I can expect the same increase by switching from 10 to 12, I don’t want the 12. Too much hassle for so slight gain. I consider the 8” as DSO spotter, and the 10” as DSO observer. But as it is stated in many threads here in CN, F/5 10” requires better eyepieces and some observers even use coma corrector. I think somewhere between 8-10” is perfect for me, I’m cured from stepping up to 12” and above. I've never had one, but at 12”, the hassle factor really kicks in. Look at few examples, Tiago Ferreira has a 12” and check out his dob balance solutions: chains, deadweights and bungie cords. Even his powerbank placement is crucial. Harder springs, because of mirror heaviness. Or another example, an equatorial platform for 12” shown in Astral Fields yt channel (The chosen one - a member of CN I believe) required two eq1 motors because one couldn’t handle the telescope weight. My final treatment to the aperture fever was Dick Suiter’s article entitled “Telescopes and their limitations” that convinced me to stay with 10 incher.



#38 Don W

Don W

    658th Member

  • *****
  • Moderators
  • Posts: 26,000
  • Joined: 19 May 2003
  • Loc: Cottonwood, Arizona

Posted 01 June 2025 - 12:26 PM

Be careful! Aperture Fever is an expensive ailment! 
 

I started with a C-90 and in less than 8 years built a 20” dob. As I got older I gradually headed in the other direction. My largest scope now at age 75, is a Nexstar 11 GPS. It’s starting to get heavy.

 

DonW


  • dnrmilspec likes this

#39 Ranger Tim

Ranger Tim

    Vanguard

  • *****
  • Posts: 2,428
  • Joined: 25 Mar 2008
  • Loc: SW Idaho, USA

Posted 08 June 2025 - 10:55 PM

I think a ten is the biggest solid tube that is easily portable. My 6 inch f/6 is fun but runs out of bright objects quickly in LP skies. A ten will resolve globs much better than an eight. My twelve inch truss dob fits in the back seat perfectly — any bigger and it would not be as much fun for typical camping, travel or outreach. If I were younger and was frequenting more serious observing events a sixteen or 18 would be nice. But there’s usually someone with a bigger scope I can slum with…

 

I once had an eight inch f/6. I gave it to a friend. The 12 has spoiled me. The six is fun for quick looks at the moon, planets or brightest DSO’s. But then I start wishing I had the 12.

 

When observing with my wife the 12 is perfect — she’s only 5’1”.


  • Nerd1 likes this

#40 Sebastian_Sajaroff

Sebastian_Sajaroff

    Mercury-Atlas

  • -----
  • Posts: 2,893
  • Joined: 27 Jan 2023
  • Loc: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Posted 10 June 2025 - 05:09 AM

Not experienced on go-to or no; but as a solo user I don't want GOTO because the "find" is at least half the fun for me.

However, as I've read elsewhere, when doing 'outreach' with friends/family they say GOTO makes it a lot more enjoyable and less hassle for them. That seems to me to be a material difference if you intend to share a lot with other casuals.

If you intend to do outreach on targets other than Solar System and stars your best bet is an EAA.
Galaxies and nebulae are totally disappointing to 99% of general public, specially from less than pristine skies.

Edited by Sebastian_Sajaroff, 10 June 2025 - 05:09 AM.


#41 MeridianStarGazer

MeridianStarGazer

    James Webb Space Telescope

  • *****
  • Posts: 16,364
  • Joined: 01 Dec 2013
  • Loc: USA

Posted 12 June 2025 - 08:49 AM

I've used both. The 10" is manageable but did cause back pain now and then if my lift was not perfect. The 8" never caused back pain. Both give interesting views, but the 10" is noticeably brighter especially at high power. The 10" base can be an issue in smaller cars, taking an extra seat. Grab whichever one is better priced for the aperture or has the best mirror.

I've used them side by side and saw the difference but did not think the difference was huge. It did show a bit more detail or brighten some stuff up. The 10" requires a taller chair.

I'd rather use someone else's 14" for dso. But at current prices, I'd rather buy a used 8".

Edited by MeridianStarGazer, 12 June 2025 - 08:53 AM.


#42 Bearcub

Bearcub

    Viking 1

  • *****
  • Posts: 856
  • Joined: 22 Dec 2018

Posted 08 July 2025 - 11:40 PM

I like your hype! Wait until you try sct or a refractor, you might like them also.. Thats how i felt when i bought my first telescope 10" dob.



#43 Sketcher

Sketcher

    Gemini

  • *****
  • Posts: 3,106
  • Joined: 29 Jun 2017
  • Loc: Under Earth's Sky

Posted 09 July 2025 - 02:29 AM

Just reflecting that, given the time investment involved, it probably would have been better to get the 10" Dob to see the DSO's just a little bit more clearly.

 

I guess a benefit right now too is learning the maintenance and care aspects on the 8".

 

That said I'm very much enjoying the visual astronomy part; just went out last night and got a bunch of more messier objects checked off on my list.

There will always be that issue of just a bit more aperture and my views would have been just a bit better.  That's enough to drive some (but not everyone) toward ever greater apertures until finances, practical use/storage/etc. issues force one to a stopping point.

 

And yes, smaller, less expensive telescopes present less risk for all of those inevitable learning mistakes that one will encounter when starting out.  That's something that many learn the hard way.  Many focus only on the "seeing more" aspect and end up blindsided on the negatives of going larger.

 

Haven't checked off all the Messier objects yet?  I gain the impression that you're still in the "looking at stuff" phase as opposed to the "observing" phase.  The difference being one of taking the time to see more in the way of details within any given object and more in terms of picking out ever fainter details/objects with what one has.  Once one enters the observing phase, one will start seeing more with what one has -- without having the need to utilize more capable equipment.  One, in effect, becomes a more capable observer thereby gaining the ability to see more without upsizing one's telescope(s).  Instead of checking off multiple objects during an observing session, one might very well spend two or more observing sessions concentrating on just a single object.

 

I've not kept track of how long it's been, but it's been many years since I've felt the need to use a telescope greater than a 6-inch aperture.  For me, the possibilities and what I can see with 6-inch and smaller apertures are great enough that I have no desire to look through a larger telescope (and I have larger telescopes -- a 10-inch and a 12-inch).  I could draw my own limit at 130mm and still not feel that I'm losing out by not going larger.  (My 130mm scope, an Astro-Physics apochromat, is for most of my purposes superior to my 6-inch scope, an f/6.5 achromat.  But nevertheless, I still enjoy using that achromat.)

 

One can go further in this hobby by going with more capable equipment.  But one can also go further by increasing one's own skills.  Some choose the first approach.  Some choose the other.  And some try for some combination of those two approaches.

 

In the end, it's whatever makes one happier, and that's not the same thing for all of us.

 

I think you've done well in choosing and using your 8-inch telescope.  Where (or if, or when) you go from there is entirely up to you.  But there isn't one path to follow that's going to be "best" for everyone.  There are simply too many variables that can affect one's chosen path.  One path can be better for one person while a different path can be better for another.  So, in these forums, we often see different opinions that can quickly erupt into heated debate.


  • Anthony236J and ClsscLib like this

#44 MeridianStarGazer

MeridianStarGazer

    James Webb Space Telescope

  • *****
  • Posts: 16,364
  • Joined: 01 Dec 2013
  • Loc: USA

Posted 09 July 2025 - 01:30 PM

I've looked at galaxies and globular clusters in 70-100mm refractors next to an 8". The smaller apertures gave a view a bit less bright and smaller, but they were still pretty views. The 8" had more detail, but not a ton more. It resolved stars in globular clusters and made galaxies glow.

But even 10" is not the end all be all. It just shows a bit more detail and a bit bright, and weighs a bit more.

Don't have buyers regret. Both scopes are good. A strong person with plenty of money would be better with the 10". Someone else might be better with the 6". 8" f6 is hard to beat with all the tradeoffs. Sky conditions matter more.
  • vtornado likes this

#45 Buzz999

Buzz999

    Sputnik

  • -----
  • Posts: 29
  • Joined: 22 Apr 2025

Posted 09 July 2025 - 04:58 PM

The difference is in area so the difference is significant. But so is the weight and size. If you are prepared to do that dance, you may as well not just settle for 10”. Why not 12 or 16?
  • 12BH7 likes this

#46 MeridianStarGazer

MeridianStarGazer

    James Webb Space Telescope

  • *****
  • Posts: 16,364
  • Joined: 01 Dec 2013
  • Loc: USA

Posted 09 July 2025 - 07:16 PM

A 10" costs a lot more than an 8", unless you buy from Explore Scientific. They are the lowest price for 10". I don't know why. I just know I won't be building a 10" with them on the market.

Rather than but a 10" mirror from Agena, it is cheaper to buy a 10" scope from Explore Scientific and then sell off what you don't want.

#47 12BH7

12BH7

    Fly Me to the Moon

  • -----
  • Posts: 5,304
  • Joined: 05 Jan 2022
  • Loc: North of Phoenix Arizona

Posted 09 July 2025 - 09:01 PM

Keep the 8 and wait until you can get a 12-16". 



#48 MeridianStarGazer

MeridianStarGazer

    James Webb Space Telescope

  • *****
  • Posts: 16,364
  • Joined: 01 Dec 2013
  • Loc: USA

Posted 09 July 2025 - 10:30 PM

There are some very low priced 10" dobs at sites I never heard of before but sound similar to ones I have.

#49 daveb2022

daveb2022

    Apollo

  • -----
  • Posts: 1,498
  • Joined: 13 Jun 2022
  • Loc: San Joaquin Valley

Posted Yesterday, 04:46 AM

My old XT8" dob is so good on planets, not sure I'd want to get rid of it. Perhaps if it were my only scope and had dark skies, I might consider going to a 10. But the advantage of my 8 revolves around its lighter weight and how fast I can set it up.

I'm in the camp of looking into a 12-16 and keep the 8 in reserve.  


  • 12BH7 likes this

#50 ClsscLib

ClsscLib

    Explorer 1

  • -----
  • Posts: 93
  • Joined: 14 Dec 2024
  • Loc: Northern Virginia, USA

Posted Yesterday, 08:20 AM

There are some very low priced 10" dobs at sites I never heard of before but sound similar to ones I have.

Caveat emptor, my friends. 
 

Social media is full of… ads from newly created entities offering telescopes at prices too good to be true.

 

The red lights are on and flashing!


  • 12BH7 likes this


CNers have asked about a donation box for Cloudy Nights over the years, so here you go. Donation is not required by any means, so please enjoy your stay.


Recent Topics





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: Beginner, Visual, Reflector, Dob



Cloudy Nights LLC
Cloudy Nights Sponsor: Astronomics