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Just got my first Binoculars (SVBONY) and have a question

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#1 Kfir26

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Posted 11 June 2025 - 06:38 AM

Hi All 

This is my first Bino ever, I saw the 8x32 S202 and acting upon impulse I placed an order, well .. my mind is blown..

I think I just found my new hobby, now to my question:

I'm getting sharp clear, still image and can see birds sitting on top of dome (for example) but I do miss the extra x2 zoom and think that maybe I should got the 10x42 ? 

What are the drad offs? will image will be more shaky? becuase I don't get shakes with the 8x32 , plus I love the compact size.

Thank You.


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:07 AM

Congratulations and welcome on CloudyNights!

 

Stick with the 8x32, 10x32 wows at first sight, but shakes are much more apparent than with 8x, especially after walking a few miles.

Only on a tripod, the 10x will show more detail, in real unsupported use, detail is similar, but the views get dimmer in low light and are generally not as easy to take in.

 

For 10x, you may prefer a 10x42 but I suggest you wait a while before going down that road, so you have a better idea what you like and do not like in your 8x32. you may even end up with an 8x42.

 

Enjoy your new binoculars!


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:12 AM

Hello, Kfir26.

 

I also have the 8x32 Svbony SV202 and enjoyed the quality of the view in the handy compact size so much that… i also got an SV202 10x42. They both have been great purchases for me, and they each have their pluses and minuses.

 

The more compact size of the 8x32 makes it more convenient for walking around with. The greater field of view also makes it better for catching a view of a moving animal. In addition, the 8x32 can focus at a closer minimum distance, so it’s much more useful for looking at birds in the nearer parts of my yard. Accordingly, this is my binocular of choice if I’m taking a nature walk or in a traveling situation where space and/or weight is at a premium. The binocular also works well at night, with its wider field of view being a benefit for certain asterisms and other wide views. The downside is of course that it could use a bit more magnification and it could gather a bit more light.

 

The 10x42 does have an extra bit of light gathering and magnification that is noticeable and beneficial. But, it’s a bit big for casually walking around with. The bit of extra weight also makes it something you don’t want to hold up indefinitely. Nevertheless, in my current situation, this is the binocular I’m using more. Previously i lived in a city apartment and would have to walk to a local park to get in any nature or to get a darker area to view the night sky from, so the 8x32 was great for that. But now I’m living in a house with a yard and a bit of a view across the street, and I’m doing more of my daytime bird watching through a kitchen window out into the yard and across the street or up into the sky, or towards treetops in other yards. I can rest my elbows or an arm on something in the kitchen if I have to, and anyway it’s mostly just quick views, so the 10x42s don’t have to be carried anywhere and I generally don’t even think about the size and weight. Also, my night sky viewing these days is mainly from just a few steps out the side door and I leave the binocular on a deck railing, always ready to use (as opposed to, when I lived in the city apartment, always needing to carry my binocular on a strap around my neck when I’d go to the park for an astronomy session), and my views with it are generally short, so again, I’m not thinking much about the size and weight.

 

It’s certainly nice having both though. If I were to have only one, the 8x42 version could make a lot of sense. But for having two binoculars, I do like having the more compact, lighter and wider field 8x32 available to go along with the more light gathering and magnification of the 10x42.

 

Welcome aboard, and I hope the above helps!


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:14 AM

In addition, personal fit is extremely important to enjoy a binocular and experience the maximum performance it can deliver.

A bit like shoes.


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:30 AM

Just to provide an "opposing" subjective view regarding size. I use a noticeably heavier 10x42 for birding (I literally just walked in from doing so this morning) and, for me at least, there is no size/weight problem. I'm also an extremely active 30-something. For the SV202, I would personally consider the difference of ~1.5lbs to ~1.65lbs effectively nonexistent. Obviously, that's not the case for everyone. That's a determination you'll have to make on your own.

 

A 10x42 is as bright or brighter than an 8x32. I just want to make sure that there isn't some miscommunication here, as I think Erik thought that you were asking about a 10x32.

 

Finally, I agree with Erik that you should probably use the 8x32 for some time before buying anything else, despite the low price tag on these. You might decide you don't need anything else, or you might even decide to "skip ahead" to a more premium 10x42, if it's in the budget. At the end of the day, you won't know what you like/want until you try it, but you can at least give yourself  the chance at a more educated guess with some experience under your belt.

 

And finally, welcome.gif !!! Sounds like you've caught the binocular-bug!


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:40 AM

Thank you all, I will use the 8x32 for couple weeks before deciding waytogo.gif


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:49 AM

I forgot to include that the 8x32 has more depth of focus, which doesn’t matter at night (where you are only using infinity focus), but which makes it a little easier to use during the day (with the 8x32, more things that are a little closer or a little farther are still in focus, whereas with the 10x42, you have to readjust the focus for something just a little farther away or just a little closer than your initial focus target). Again, a benefit of the 8x32 for viewing wildlife that moves around. Still, in practice, I don’t usually think about that (sometimes it is an obvious consideration, but usually when I’m using the 10x42, I’m just using them without any thought about depth of focus).

 

Anyway, the 8x32 has some nice advantages as I’ve outlined above and so I’m glad I have it, but nevertheless I find myself in my present situation using the 10x42 more. 
 

As has been advised by the other responders, I stuck with just the 8x32 for a while (like a year and a half in my case, iirc) before adding the 10x42. You of course can order a new binocular whenever you want (there’s no enforced waiting period, lol), but I do think there is some benefit to getting to know your equipment, learning what you can get out of it, and finding out for yourself what qualities you might desire in a next binocular (if any)


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:56 AM

Since your thinking about a 10x binocular I would recommend the 10x50mm for astro work as opposed to the 10x42 option. 10x50 has a 5mm exit pupil while the 10x42 has an exit pupil of 4.2mm and this makes a noticable difference to image brightness particularly when viewing diffuse objects like comets and nebula. 


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 08:40 AM

I'm getting sharp clear, still image and can see birds sitting on top of dome (for example) but I do miss the extra x2 zoom and think that maybe I should got the 10x42 ? 

If you are missing an extra "2x zoom" that means you are looking for a 16x binocular. Typically these would require a tripod. As luck has it there are a few binoculars available that have built in image stabilization to allow for hand holding. You can find out more about them in the archives. Notice these binoculars cost more (USD 1000-2000), but do provide a view of birds that is twice as large and not just 10/8 or 25% larger.



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Posted 11 June 2025 - 08:54 AM

I'm fairly certain he means the additional 2x.

 

8+2=10


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 09:28 AM

Perhaps I am not the quickest of students, but I recommend using an instrument you like for at least a few months before considering a next step, especially in the early stages of getting to know instruments. But even after over 4 decades, it may take me a year or more to get a full appreciation of all the aspects of a binocular.

 

So by all means, take your time.


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 09:36 AM

Within the same model range from a manufacturer, the 42mm models are always a bit easier on the yes than their 32mm counterparts. And brighter in low light conditions. I have owned and enjoyed 7x, 8x and 10x32 and 42’s from all the classic alpha brands. They all have their own character and strong points, with different personal fits.

 

Trying  them in real life for a reasonable amount of time is key to discover how they suit you and your needs. But that is for later.

 

Now it’s time to discover your 8x32 in use and read through the many wonderful threads in the binocular forum on CloudyNights to educate yourself on binoculars and ask for advice where needed.

 

As always, you will find opinions will vary and so will your own mileage.

 

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Posted 11 June 2025 - 12:47 PM

Welcome to C/N! flowerred.gif

 

If this becomes a hobby for you then you will want to start a collection of binoculars. It's not a matter of either/or, it's a matter of what binocular suits your needs for a particular type of viewing. You can learn a lot on this forum. Best of luck to you! borg.gif


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Posted 11 June 2025 - 03:07 PM

I'm fairly certain he means the additional 2x.

 

8+2=10

Yeah, but then the OP would be like most folks here, buying lots of binos just because the differ a little.



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Posted 11 June 2025 - 07:57 PM

Yeah, but then the OP would be like most folks here, buying lots of binos just because the differ a little.

 

There is a significant difference between 8x32s and 10x42s.  I am able to hold roof prisms 10x42s steady and consider them the ideal all-around birding-astro binoculars.  I have had my 10x42 Eagle Optics Platinum Rangers for more than 20 years.. Still going strong.

 

I am not sure exactly what advice to give Kfir..  The wait and learn makes a lot of sense but for me, 8x32s are underpowered for astronomy. 

 

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Posted 13 June 2025 - 05:59 AM

There is a significant difference between 8x32s and 10x42s.  I am able to hold roof prisms 10x42s steady and consider them the ideal all-around birding-astro binoculars.  I have had my 10x42 Eagle Optics Platinum Rangers for more than 20 years.. Still going strong.

 

I am not sure exactly what advice to give Kfir..  The wait and learn makes a lot of sense but for me, 8x32s are underpowered for astronomy. 

 

Jon

Hi there

I got a notice on Svbony sale starting soon, I’m thinking of buying the sv202 10x42 and see what will happen, worst case I will sell the 8 or 10


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Posted 13 June 2025 - 09:24 AM

Getting that 10x42 from the same maker will allow you to see for yourself side by side the differences between your 8x32 and 10x42. You may even end up keeping them both.


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Posted 13 June 2025 - 09:37 AM

I found the SV 202 series hit and miss, the 8x42 is a respectable binocular however the 8x32 I received was  very mediocre, a soft image being the issue, they are what they are, a low cost Hong Kong binocular, Dave.



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Posted 13 June 2025 - 09:51 AM

I had both 10x42 and 10x50 SV202's but much preferred the 10x50. If i were to do it all again Id skip the 10x42 and go straight to the 10x50. You would be looking at a very similar field of view but through a larger, brighter exit pupil for the sake of 30g weight difference. 

 

Kinda miss my 10x50 actually, it was well built for the money but my optical expectations are a notch above these days. 

 

Compacts are great for when weight actually matters, i walk often with my Maven B.3 for hours around my neck but id have no problem putting a 10x50 roof prism bino in my backpack. I see no advantage to daytime views between 8x30 and 8x42, so with the smaller FOV of the a 10x42 in mind id be more inclined to go back to 10x50. 



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Posted 13 June 2025 - 10:00 AM

Getting that 10x42 from the same maker will allow you to see for yourself side by side the differences between your 8x32 and 10x42. You may even end up keeping them both.

 

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I'm not normally known as a clairvoyant but something is telling me that Kfir will keep both binoculars and add even more.

 

Of course, one might argue that this is nothing more than the observation that a very high percentage of members of this forum own several pairs of binoculars.  Sometimes it seems that binoculars stored in the same room just reproduce but it's actually because each binocular is a unique combination of optical and mechanical properties.

 

My smallest pair of binoculars is a pair of Nikon 7x21s. They're perfect for taking to the opera. They fit in a coat pocket, weigh a few ounces and are unobtrusive. 

 

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My largest binoculars are 15x70s, they weigh 5 lbs, are best used mounted and provide wonderful views of comets and other DSOs..
 
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Imagine taking the 15x70s to the opera.. lol.gif
 
I should caution Kfir... Run before it's too late..  I am one of saner members, I have a high resistance to purchase. Others here have more severe symptoms, they see a pair of binoculars on sale and that's all it takes.
 
The above, it's a mix of tongue in cheek humor and the facts of life for members of this forum all with a single purpose.
That is to say to Kfir:
 
welcome.gif Welcome aboard the Cloudy Nights Binoculars Forum. You've been certified as half crazy..
 
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Posted 13 June 2025 - 11:19 AM

I had both 10x42 and 10x50 SV202's but much preferred the 10x50. If i were to do it all again Id skip the 10x42 and go straight to the 10x50. You would be looking at a very similar field of view but through a larger, brighter exit pupil

for the sake of 30g weight difference.

Kinda miss my 10x50 actually, it was well built for the money but my optical expectations are a notch above these days.

Compacts are great for when weight actually matters, i walk often with my Maven B.3 for hours around my neck but id have no problem putting a 10x50 roof prism bino in my backpack. I see no advantage to daytime views between 8x30 and 8x42, so with the smaller FOV of the a 10x42 in mind id be more inclined to go back to 10x50.

Hey, so you’re saying the 50s are better than the 42 ? I’m not looking for a astronomy purposes, like I said I just want the extra X2 magnification I have with the 8x32
P.S I am a noob (;

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Posted 13 June 2025 - 11:48 AM

Hey, so you’re saying the 50s are better than the 42 ? I’m not looking for a astronomy purposes, like I said I just want the extra X2 magnification I have with the 8x32
P.S I am a noob (;

we're splitting hairs on value optics here, i think the 10x42 was a little claustrophobic but when you look at the specs on the svbony website the 10x42 and 10x50 do very similar things on paper.

 

there are a couple of newer binoculars from svbony the SA205 and the upgraded SV202. rather than more of the same it may make more sense to go for something a tad different if you really want the 10x42


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Posted 16 June 2025 - 05:55 AM

So, Svbony had a 25% sale yesterday , with coupons I had I got the SV202 10x42 for $55 it was hard to pass on (:

I hope I made the right choise , I didn't went with the 50's because of portability issues.. 


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Posted 18 June 2025 - 11:12 AM

Hi Kfir, stick with lower power with steady view ! If you want more WOW try a good 7x35 like Swift Neptune(katsuma),or Minolta Celtic , Have fun is the main thing ! Clear Skies


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Posted 18 June 2025 - 11:54 AM

So, Svbony had a 25% sale yesterday , with coupons I had I got the SV202 10x42 for $55 it was hard to pass on (:

I hope I made the right choise , I didn't went with the 50's because of portability issues.. 

If you're only using them during the daytime the 10x42s and 10x50s will be essentially the same thing. Unless you're an unusual case, your own eye pupil will mask the apertures down to the same effective size in daylight.


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