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Won a lighting battle with business next to me

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#1 Redbetter

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Posted 13 June 2025 - 04:21 AM

Background:

 

We purchased this home over a decade ago.  The backyard is adjacent to a storage facility which actually makes for an attractive and functional back wall with no neighbors behind us.  Before we tendered an offer, we checked the storage facility's original building approval/restrictions, and visited the home at night to see what their facility lighting was like.  While not perfect, the baffling of the pole mounted yellow sodium lamps was sufficient, and the back yard was dark for the suburbs, with no direct glare.

 

The facility has been great as neighbors, but there have been a few hiccups.  One was a fire in a unit along the wall near ours, but more problematic was when they replaced one of the shielded/baffled boxes with a flat LED panel a few years ago.  It was on the opposite end of the facility, but shined directly at us, and lit me up when I walked upstairs the first night it was on.  The next day I went into the office with their approvals/restrictions in hand, and a copy of the city code addressing it:  "lights shall be placed to deflect light away from adjacent properties and public streets, and to prevent adverse interference with the normal operation or enjoyment of surrounding properties. Direct or sky-reflected glare from floodlights shall not be directed into any other property or street. Except for public street lights and stadium lights, no light, combination of lights, or activity shall cast light onto a residentially zoned property, or any property containing residential uses, exceeding one-half foot-candle."

 

I showed the resident manager where the offending light was, and it was turned off.  I made it clear that I did not object to the existing lighting or to them updating, but the new lighting, absent a proper shroud, was not going to work.  Unfortunately for them, their old fixtures have been slowly failing, so I was expecting another round of this someday.

 

Present Day:

 

About 6 weeks ago, I noticed they were removing a number of the old fixtures and installing new LED panels--entirely unshielded although technically "full cut off".  The lights went on that night and the ones across the way were lighting us up again.  So I went into the office again to explain that wasn't going to work, and that they needed to be down directed with shrouds.  The resident managers understood, but the lighting is done by the regional company and contractors.  We also asked the city if the business had permits for the new lighting.  The lights were promptly shut off again and we heard some back-channel about how they intended to restore the old fixtures--which would have been fine as a solution.

 

Then within a week I saw a contractor working on the new fixtures again, turning the panels straight down.  Oh crap.  That's going to be even worse because the high pole of one of the lights that formerly shined away from me is right behind my yard.  Again, not a single shroud or hint of a shroud anywhere in the new panels.   The lights went on that night and our yard and home were lit up like a prison yard in the back, from multiple lights.  It was full color in the backyard, bright end of the mesopic range on the meter when pointed at the sidewalk.  Easy to read a book out there.  I couldn't even see the shadow of the roof cast by the Full Moon--the lighting completely obliterated what was formerly a prominent shadow.

 

So my only recourse was to file an official code violation complaint with the city, which I had hoped to avoid doing.  I also organized my neighbors, who were similarly impacted and irked about the change.  It was over a week before we got a response from the city, but they scheduled a night team to come out to investigate.  Once they saw what was happening from the back yard, Code sent the business a notice of violation and a week or so to address the problem.  After a week, the lights went off again.  I was just hoping that eventually we would get a properly shrouded solution--a win-win...or at least no loser.

 

Some time during this, the business' management viewed their historic surveillance video and decided the new lighting was far brighter than intended, and they don't want neighbors complaining about it.  Furthermore, they concluded that other than in foggy months, they really don't need the lights at all.  They then removed ALL of the new lights from the poles.   As of this writing ALL of the pole lights are off, including the old ones.  They said they might use the old ones during foggy weather (winter) but they have no plans for new lighting.

 

Pinch me, I must be dreaming...no, don't pinch me, let me rest and enjoy this.  It has taken some time, and part of the result was entirely unintentional, but somehow we were actually able to vastly improve the lighting situation behind our home from when we moved in.


Edited by Redbetter, 13 June 2025 - 04:22 AM.

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Posted 13 June 2025 - 04:31 AM

I guess it turned out to be a win/win for everyone. waytogo.gif


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Posted 13 June 2025 - 06:20 AM

For once.... 

 

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Posted 13 June 2025 - 08:01 AM

Very nicely done!


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Posted 13 June 2025 - 04:34 PM

I was able to do similar with SoCalGas which had erected a large gas well illuminated by glaring LEDs on a hilltop overlooking my town. It could be seen for miles due to its elevated position. They alternately either dimmed the lighting and/or covered it with cloth sheeting until they eventually closed it. 


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Posted 13 June 2025 - 09:56 PM

I live in the country, there wasn't a single visible light from where I observe on my property. Then some guy bought the property behind me and built a shed on it. He keeps a light burning all night every night, but he doesn't live there or have a house on the property. It really irked me even though it's pointed away from me on the opposite side of his shed from me. I did observe in perfect darkness. But I guess I can't complain to much, I still have it way better than most people. 

 

Congratulations on winning your shadow back.

 

 

 

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Posted 17 June 2025 - 09:11 AM

Congratulations and well done! Shows that we can sometimes do something about this.

 

As I posted previously on CN, I have also found that it is sometimes possible to successfully address these outdoor lighting issues. We have a house in a lakeside community in Maine. Last year was able to get our neighborhood road association to agree to get our utility to remove a very bright LED streetlight that had been recently placed directly across the street from my house. Then after months of trying, this spring I was able to get our road association and utility to install full shielding on the other 3 LED streetlights in our community. (Notably, the utility initially told our road association that shielding was not available for the lights. But then thanks to another cloudynights member, I was able to identify the manufacturer of the streetlights, who made it clear that very cheap shielding (about $30 each) was available for the lights. That’s what the utility is installing. )

 

Also, for years, the elderly woman next-door had a tall,  very bright, always-on streetlight in her driveway, about 150’ from the primary viewing area in  my yard. She recently moved to assisted living and her grandson now owns the house. I had never met him but approached him about the light and he has agreed  to add motion sensors to all his exterior lights and to possibly add shielding.  He’s letting me come up with suggestions.

 

Maybe best of all, Maine just recently enacted an outdoor lighting law with helpful provisions. I am still reviewing it but am over-the-moon at what at least appears to be a nice development.

 

So all-on-all,  some very positive developments on the light pollution front for me and my neighbors!

Clear  (and dark) skies!

 

Tim


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Posted 17 June 2025 - 03:48 PM

Shielding is the primary issue with respect to glare and light trespass.  Nearly every streetlight or pole mounted dusk-to-dawn light installed presents glare from lack of shielding/shroud.  The major obstacle to getting shielding installed is that we don't know the manufacturer/model number of the light, and therefore cannot identify what shielding is available and at what cost.  We are reliant on the entity that purchases/installs the lights to provide the model number.  With that bit of information, it becomes possible to suggest a mutually acceptable remedy that can save both sides a lot of headache and potential animosity.

 

You would think there would be a quick visual identification guide for major street light and pole mounted panels, along with links to vendors/suppliers of shrouds, whether aftermarket or OEM.   


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Posted 17 June 2025 - 03:54 PM

Congratulations, Redbetter!


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