Idea for 11" Teeter STS planet killer.
#1
Posted 11 January 2013 - 08:49 PM
#2
Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:10 PM
While I really like my STS, I have come to believe that tracking is just as important as good optics.
#3
Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:30 PM
#4
Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:23 PM
#5
Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:39 PM
#6
Posted 13 January 2013 - 02:52 PM
#7
Posted 13 January 2013 - 03:47 PM
It's not a standing only scope, but I use either a couple of small step stools that I can kick around, or lately I have been using a package of foam exercise floor mats (the interlocking kind). I cut the package in half, and doubled the thickness and duct taped it together, this gives me an approx. 12x24 platform about 5" tall. very light and easy to use.
I was wavering about selling it when I got the CPC11HD, which is a very nice scope, and much easier to use (tracking, goto, eyepiece height, etc) but the swayze always shows a better image. the stars are really sharp pinpoints, only bettered by a small margin by my refractor.
Very nice with a 30mm 82* ES, or the 20mm 100* for scanning too. I can usually catch the swirly stuff on jupiter with the 12.
#8
Posted 13 January 2013 - 06:53 PM
1) You will have more clearance around the mirror, the same amount of clearance that exists in the 8" model
2) You can go longer, beyond f/5. Reducing the need for Paracorr and collimation sensitivity.
I would opt for the Aurora mirror cell upgrade Whoapiglet speaks of. I haven't had any astigmatism issues in my 8" but I can't speak for a larger mirror.
The STSs have many things going for them. They are smoother than any Dob I've used and hold balance very well. I could switch from a 5mb TMB Supermono to a 35mm Panoptic and seldom have to re-balance. Not to mention, they are very nice looking scopes.
#9
Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:30 PM
Attached is Aurora's CAD of the new 11" cell we'll be using. The 6 points are actually machined aluminum "cups" that will hold the silicone used to attach the mirror, which will ensure the silicone "blobs" (scientific term!) are of uniform diameter and thickness. So really a slick design.
Our STS scopes were originally designed in the Winter of 2010 and officially added to our product line up in April of 2011 as a scope to bridge the gap between the mass produced, imported, scopes and the high end Truss-Dobs. So we were looking to hit specific price points in order to put these scopes within reach of a larger market segment than we were currently focusing on. Much to our surprise, it wasn't the amateur astronomers who had a budget in the $1500-$2000 range that were coming to us (a few have and we're thankful they found us!), it was the amateur astronomer looking for a supped up 8" or 11" scope in a solid tube that came knocking. What was originally an 8" scope priced at $1475 became a fully upgraded scope costing twice that, and the same went for our 11" (more so than even the 8"). A $1975 scope quickly became a $3500 to $4000 scope after the primary mirror was upgraded to a Zambuto, the secondary to a 1/30 P-V from Antares, the focuser to a Feathertouch, SkyCommander DSCs added, custom wood finishing and hardware, etc.
Therefore, now that I know these scopes are appealing more to the premium Dob market and not the people who were going to buy a mass produced scope but are willing to save up longer to buy a higher quality instrument, I feel comfortable starting to make higher quality components standard equipment (which, unfortunately, necessitates an increase in pricing). So we've learned a lot so far in the nearly 2 years that we've been marketing our STS scopes and we look forward to continuing to optimize them and make them the type of instruments for which our customers are looking.
Thanks again,
#11
Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:35 PM
Last last thing...final STS pricing for 2013 is still TBD. We hope to have new pricing for our STS (and Truss-Dobs) up this coming week.
#12
Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:48 PM
Why side posts if its glued on?
#13
Posted 14 January 2013 - 05:14 PM
#14
Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:44 PM
An 11" F/5 is definitely an option from Zambuto, no problem there.
Our standard spider is the 3-vane, 3-point collimation, curved spider from Destiny, which we like a lot. In terms of collimation, it's a sturdy piece of equipment that holds collimation very well. The actual process of collimation is smooth and repeatable. We also have the Astrosytems 4-vane, 4-point collimation, spiders available for use.
Take care,
#15
Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:04 PM
#16
Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:19 PM
#17
Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:08 PM
#18
Posted 16 January 2013 - 11:08 PM
We've released our 2013 pricing, updated across all of our product lines (see our website). We were also able to derive what the upgrade cost to existing STS owners would be for these new mirror cells...
8" Upgrade: $305 (including cooling fan, grill guard and cabling)
11" Upgrades: $360 (including cooling fan, grill guard and cabling)
These costs have been incorporated into the new 2013 STS pricing on our website since these cells will now be standard equipment.
Take care,
#19
Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:44 AM
Mr. Marbles,
We've released our 2013 pricing, updated across all of our product lines (see our website). We were also able to derive what the upgrade cost to existing STS owners would be for these new mirror cells...
8" Upgrade: $305 (including cooling fan, grill guard and cabling)
11" Upgrades: $360 (including cooling fan, grill guard and cabling)
These costs have been incorporated into the new 2013 STS pricing on our website since these cells will now be standard equipment.
Take care,
Rob, Given that the primary mirror cell is one of the most important variables in how a mirror performs across temperature changing environments, I greatly applaud your move to the new Aurora mirror cells. Premium optics deserve premium cells to get the most out of their potential performance. Bob
#20
Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:38 AM
Thanks for the kind words. I totally agree with your sentiments regarding the mirror cell. As I stated above, the original intention of these scopes was to be low(er) cost alternatives to the larger scopes out there and be a higher quality alternative to the imported scopes on the market. I was looking to hit a certain price point, thus had to compromise on some of the components, the mirror cell being one of them. Now, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of STS owners out there with premium (Zambuto, Waite) mirrors with our original cell design who are quite happy. So it's not like the original cells were totally inferior, they did the job and did it well. Could they be improved upon? Sure. That's what this upgrade to the Aurora cells is all about.
Plus, the other intention of these scopes, originally, was "mass production". Instead of doing each one one-at-a-time like we're doing now, I was planning to do batch runs of 6 at a time and didn't plan to offer any options. They were to be sold "off the shelf" and ship within a week of ordering. And, as such, the mirrors weren't going to be of premium quality, just very good quality since the price point necessitated the mirror maker (Waite, at the time) to turn them around quickly. Again, the original plan was not for a premium Dob but one that would look nicer and perform better than similar sized imported Dobs. The mirror cell, then, didn't need to be as high quality as we're currently talking about.
But, the STS has morphed into a custom-made, premium, solid tube Dobsonian, which I think is great! I didn't think the market would bear it, but I stand corrected. Because of how this has played out, we've adjusted our business model and the STS product line to now reflect what our customers want. Therefore you see this premium mirror cell as standard equipment to match the premium mirrors our customers are electing to have installed.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;-)
Take care,
#21
Posted 18 January 2013 - 08:58 AM
...and a very proud owner of my STS.
#22
Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:12 AM
#23
Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:30 AM
Side view CAD of the new 11" Aurora cell...
Hi Rob,
I think this will go along way in getting the best views out of a quality aperture.
Best of luck with this new cell.